Kenya Armed Forces pictures

The worsening crisis in Somalia, followed by reports of deployments of Kenyan troops along the Kenya – Somalia border has generated lots of interest in our armed forces.

Due to severe restrictions on information flow, it is not easy for ordinary members of the public to see what exactly our military and police forces do behind the scenes. Here below, the Nairobi Chronicle presents pictures of our national armed forces.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: These are NOT pictures of Operation Linda Mpaka that is ongoing at the Somali border.

Kenya Airforce F-5 fighter jet roaring over the skies. The F5 is Kenya's principal air superiority fighter jet.

Kenya Airforce F-5 fighter jet roaring over the skies. The F5 is Kenya's principal air superiority fighter jet.

Kenya Army soldiers manning a mortar during field operations.

Kenya Army soldiers manning a mortar during field operations.

Kenya Army soldiers marching during a field exercise.

Kenya Army soldiers marching during a field exercise.

Kenya Navy vessels in the high seas.

Kenya Navy vessels in the high seas.

A paramilitary unit armed with G-3 rifles on the look-out.

A paramilitary unit armed with G-3 rifles on the look-out.

Kenya Army soldiers attending a classroom session.

Kenya Army soldiers attending a classroom session.

Any of you have similar pictures? Please send to nairobichronicle@live.com

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  2. Those who live in glass houses must not throw stones.

    • what do u mean??..do u mean that Kenya can get into a state similar to somalia??….If you think so..then u are dreaming…..Kenyans are more intelligent than primitive Somalian chimps…we have a sense of order .

    • I hope these are not the comments of a Kenyan Somali. It is in everybody’s interest to have a stable Somalia. The suffering visited to the ordinary citizens due to this senseless killings by Al Shabab should be enough to inspire the international community ( Kenya included ) into action. It is foolhardy to imagine that the Somalis can solve their problems on their own. They have failed to do this in over 18 years, how do we expect that they can do so now. We have a duty to act not only to protect our interests but also to save lives.

    • True Brother Mohammed- but how about taking a pee on the plate you feed on? Kenya- Garissa Lodge and Eastleigh for instance is your brethren’s plate. DON’T PEE ON IT, Kilometre 50 or 90 in Mogadisco is not a place you would want your brethren to dock!

    • u throw the stones we will collect them and build taller skyscrapers

  3. ‘Western Powers and Somalis Will Not Accept a Taliban-style Regime’

    Interview with Paula Roque, Horn of Africa Researcher at the Institute for Security Studies (ISS, Pretoria), about the current situation in southern Somalia and Mogadishu. She comments on the motivations of young people to join al-Shabaab, the international approach to Somalia and the presence of international Jihadists in the country.

    http://rubeneberlein.wordpress.com/

  4. Ali, Kenyans have not done anything to deserve to be called your enemy.

    Respectfully quoting from the Noble Koran, Surah 16:126, “And if you punish, then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted.” How have Kenyans afflicted You?!!! In fact, Somali business has thrived.

    Its all an Illusion.

    • You got it all wrong. kenya has taken somali lands & claim it’s theirs. They have killed somalis & who knows how many.If you think i am lying, just do some research about the history of n.eastern kenya So stop saying they don’t deserve to be called our enemies.

      • reserve your primitive unrefined sentiments to the village kamukunjis in Dhobley. Last time i checked, our borders were demarcated by Britain. Kenya has never invaded Somalia in fact it is the opposite. Instead of thinking how you can use your Kenyan citizenship to help your brothers in Somalia, you think of how you can secede and involve yourself into a war that has enough players already. You give a bad image of Somalis. Stop using Ptolemy’s atlas to base your claims and for once look into the future and the endless positive possibilities it can afford you!

  5. I hear from a source that Kenya was given \acquired cheaply 32 Chinkooks and 8 F-15 fighters from the US..Does anyone have this info??

    • I work for the Kenya Army and its not true Sir.

      • walter…..i went 4 recruitment recently and iwas disqualified coz one of my teeth is not in good condition why do u check the teeth while in de usa u can be recruited even if u don av even one teeth?? i was bored……….anyway if u know any officer who can recruit me msg me back plz…i still want to join.

  6. Abc…. that is not true. A Fighter plane is more than just the plane itself, and indeed requires a hell lot more beyond what you see. Our economy would not sustain a squadron of F-15 unless we mobilised for war – which then means essentially that war become the primary recepient of Government expenditure. We have other options, just as efffective and effecient in all manners as the F-15. And not just from the Americans, but also from French and the Russians as well.
    The Japs have fantastic fighter options too. Relax guys, you are in good hands here!

    • What do you mean we are ok and in good hand,junk f5s to
      northern sudan migs, egypt f16s is being in good hand.if this
      countries were to make a surprice attack is only when we would
      start thinking of giving our boys mordern equipment, and stop
      living under a false umbrella of strength

      • Salah Abdallah Gosh?

      • Are you Uniformed? Or perhaps in Civilian Intelligence /External? What is the basis for your abrasive Posturing, buddy? Haven’t we all seen the results of such blind assertions without fact or even intelligent conjecture, that is put out as if it is derived from some sort of divinely inspired Tract? We are told again yesterday, and for the umpteenth time, by some of those power-starved nincompoops who called out hordes of gullible civilians to revolt using what essentially were extremely violent means, without explaining to them that such escalation would inevitably attract an aggravated response in-kind,( even if from crazy chaps), that they were protesting what they claim was a stolen election – without furnishing an iota of proof beyond narrow glimpses of isolated malpractices which were manifestly committed even by some of these same scoundrels!! Give specifics that bear out your remarks, Mr. AK!!

    • we need to atleast have a 5th generation fighter jet to match the growing appetite of our neighbours for super fighter jets.How will we survive rabid Uganda armed with the latest version of sukhoi k30 which experts thinks can come close to F22 RAPTOR.We are a bigger economy than uganda and i believe having this Toys will make any would be invader think twice.Our MBT tanks are also nearing absolescence why cant we ask our former colonial masters for some challengers or some panthers

    • the fact is that being a major doesnt mean that u r smart kila place rem that s a mayor military rank.

  7. Dr. Who.
    Precisely what is the diagreement in Somalia that justifys the carnage you have wrought in your own country and upon your own people for the last 18 years? Is is tribal / religious / cultural differences, indeed of a life and death importance? Arent you not infact one tribe, one language, one culture, one religion? Stop trying to fool the world that your problems are imported – your enemy is only yourself! And now you whip up emotive justification to export your madness out somalia, and have the temerity to call God into this insane lie! We are ready to meet you, anywhere including mogadishu, and we make no bones about it.

    • tik tak year 2050 or even 2100 somalia will attack kenya,then we will see how big mouth you are…we are the lions of africa….guess wht talkin about chimps…nigger you look like one…halla…

      • 2050? really? hehehe Okay im scared. but as of no you are amputated lions. let’s worry about vision 2050 when it comes.

      • jamal, you’re just a lucky product of the war in Somalia where a sympathetic nation granted you asylum and pity, good enough for you to grow your mouth, it is kenya from where you left , and should you feel like getting back to somalia, its kenya where you’ll pass through, i dont think your ass has many choices..

  8. Hello In arecent east africa war games in Tz ,many of Kenyan soldiers were seen taken to one of the goverment hospitals in Arusha ,does this shows that kenyan soldiers are just softy as one of my collegue from Uganda said.

  9. DR WHO just give us permeation by trying to invade our country kenya>and within 2 day all those somali militias will be digging their graves:{from Kenya military top command}

  10. POA – any military exercise is not a walk in the park, and involves at the very least physical exertion to the point of pain. Exercises are meant to test the state of preparedness of any armed unit, and the most important being the Human Component. There are a lot of factors that are vectored into Military Exercises, and any number of them could result in some injuries or even fatalities. All soldiers expect this, and indeed we pay little mind to this eventuality – it is an occupational hazard. So, tell me, if you get splashed with muddy water by a drunk driver, does this in any indicate your incompetence as a pendestrian? Some of these queries posted in these blogs are so simplistic and utterly ignorant as to be laughable were it not for the serious nature of the subject matter. A little research before you post would be quite in order, I reckon!!

    • Well said Maj. Though I would not have wasted time chidding a guy wet behind the ears. As for Maj. Kagendo’s comment… Gathee when did an officer try to start reason with a Makoboo , as we called em? Let me give you a pink here.. Huyo jamaa hata kigutha aka catapult hakujua kutumia akiwa yankee, unabishana na mtoto wa mama. Hahahahaha. Them waswaa say gota gogo usikie mlio… but not Kenya for your info Kijana Poa- Usimuone simba kanyeshewa ukadhani ni paka… Just in case ungependa kujua ujasiri wa hao Wakenya unaodharau ungeanza na kutwambia Wabongo wangapi wanaendesha Ndege Afghanistan kwa mfano, ilitujue nyie ni Njoruwa ama ashujaa, unavyo gamba? Uliza uambiwe hata Rais wa huko rubani wake Mkenya. Hao hapana chezea kaka braza.

  11. Amazing how this conversation has shifted.However i felt compelled to clarify this “Uncle tom” nonsense talk by saying everyone including this arrogant spearhead is right in terms of how this term has been applied overtime.If you contact americans today they will tell you that they when they pay their taxes to the goverment,they refer to the goverment as uncle tom thus ” the money belongs to uncle tom.” By much, they call the hgoverment uncle tom when its taking from them rather than handing out.
    On the other hand the defination given above is the original derivative of the term which does not materialize today in the west.Infact most americans dont know this defination.
    To end this chapter and move to something else,i urge you guys to stop name calling and be men of character.
    AND TO STAR HERE AND NOW,DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHY OUR GOVERMENT IS SO MUM ON MIGINGO ISSUE WHEN OUR PEOPLE ARE BEING HARASSED EVERY DAY?IS IT NOT THE GOVERMENT DUTY TO PROTECT KENYANS ANY WHERE?WHY IS THIS COUNTRY BEING FORCED TO RELISH HUMILIATION AT THE HANDS OF A WEAK AND ARROGANT NEIGHBOR?

  12. Pain in the ass,
    I thought this uncle Tom business was meant for another blog where guys were trading insults and irritating the rest of us and killing an otherwise interesting debate.

  13. President Museveni is pushing for a regional EAC military.
    Kenya’s armed forces are the best equipped, but they are usually a peace time force. UPDF has the most combat experience, and Rwanda is definitely a force to recon with. With the new EAC, the Somalia security problem becomes an even more pronounced issue with the other member states. I believe Museveni is on to a very good idea. What say you?

    • it’a amazing why everyone keeps talking about Uganda and its jungle experience, UPDF cann’t get Kony who’s running riot in northern Uganda to the bewilderment of everyone in the world. You get kony, you get the bragging rights..

    • i really would like to understand what is jungle expirience updf is said to have with rwanda yet they could not stand the angolan army in the jungles of zaire which was a much favourable terrain for them in comparisson with the angolans and zimbabweans . konny is still recking havoc in the jungles yet updf has jungle expirience .rwanda is a country that doesnt make much military significance in terms of resources , they can only fight those banyamulenge wars but not any serious convectinal army in this region . as in you cannot equal an ally like ethiopia to rwanda. this is a country you can shell every corner outside its borders ,the only advantage rwanda has is that collecting intelligence in ruanda might be abit tricky due to the nature of the past . but with modern ways of collecting intelligence ruanda is one country i would say its difficult to defend againt a serious agressor . back to our point lets think outside the box ,h onestly speaking what are the real reasons for mu7 presence in somalia .ofcourse not everlasting peace , it was a kind of bargaining chip with the west and that explains us why these guys dnt get the job done even with all the expirience they brag about heh ? honestly , mr crain should have known that we have been with these guys much longer . shifta was no difrent from al shabab the behaviour was more less the same .and that is why the jungle expiriences of zaire might be of little help here in som alia ,

  14. Rwanda is a gum-boot army without any sort of armour, not any air-power, no anti-take abilities, no air-defense ability, little strategic depth in logistics, very poor Independent Intel + recon abilities, complete inability to large-troop displacement by road and air, extremely top-heavy with untrained leadership, blighted by excessive political interference, incredibly poor training regimens of Corps rank & file, little ability for long-range warfare, etc for ever if you want. Uganda’s Military is a only best described as a “militarised Civilian Gendermerie” whose existence if to project the monopoly to Violence by the Ruling Elite – it has no fighting ability of any sort!! That Kenya’s Armed Forces are lumped by ignorant arm-chair “änalysts” with Rwanda and Uganda sickens every man and woman in the Uniform of Kenya’s Armed Forces!!. C’mon!!

    • Mike Alfa Juliet.
      Hiyo tosha kabisa…. by the way this days wameanza kuimprove as in having CSD’s na QM’s that know where to shop. This days wameoana mbele, hata wana jungle green fatigue na T’shirts zimeandikwa ARMY in capital letters.
      Mix and match is a problem to contend with currently, I remember meeting one of their officers wearing a gorgeboot pair with a tracksuit in a 2010 new year’s eve getdown. He looked a knockout!

  15. To send the RDF Division into Congo in 2008 required not just a complete refit of everthing needed from webbing belts, helmets, guns, bayonnets, tents, water bottles, magazines, ammo pouches, belts, food rations, rain-sleeks, trenching kits, field kitchens, boots, uniforms, fuel, ammo, transportation, air-lift, etc, but also real-time intel and recon from and by American Overflying Satelites and special forces surreptitious implanted into the Threatre of Conflicts weeks before. The entire Division was even lead and commanded by American Officers. Uganda too was feed with real-time Intel and lead by Special Forces and transported by ground and air transportation of the Americans into the Central African Republic in hot pursuit of Joseph KONY – and still fell flat on their collective faces. This is not clandestine information – any credibly senior Military and Intelligence officer active in the Region will tell you these and more!!

  16. To send the RDF Division into Congo in 2008 required not just a complete and total refit for the RDF Division in everything needed – from webbing belts, helmets, guns, bayonets, sleeping and mess tents, water bottles, magazines, ammo pouches, belts, food rations, rain-sleeks, trenching kits, field kitchens, boots, uniforms, fuel, ammo, transportation, field maps, stools, water filtration, Medivac kits, field hospitals, air-lift, explosive and mines, sleeping kits, torches, etc, but also real-time intel and recon from and by American Overflying Satellites and special forces surreptitious implanted into the Theater of Conflicts weeks before. The entire Division was even lead and commanded by American Officers. UPDF of Uganda too had a full Regiment similarly was refitted, feed with real-time Intel and led by pathfinder US Special Forces and transported by ground and air transportation of the Americans into the Central African Republic in hot pursuit of Joseph KONY – and still the UPDF fell flat on their collective faces. Do you wonder that these ragtag lawless bands continue to roam freely in the ITURI and CAR /North Uganda this long?!! I not diverging any clandestine information here – any credibly senior Military and Intelligence officer active in this Region will validate this info and give you even more!!

    • So, what’s all this chatter I hear about the discipline and strength of RDF infantry? Where does Kenya rank among EAC and the rest of Sub-Sahara in terms of military capabilities?

      • Hehehehehehe Mwistar, Daddie lets just say Kenya can stand her ground if push came to shove, those who kulad kiapo cha utii past and present cannot tell you that even @ gunpoint. Ever heard of Sirikali? If there is anyone one who can tell you that, hakutoboa AFTC halali

      • Well, sir, we pass through hell literally to be in the Kenya Army and I think our training Regimen is among the best in the world i.e. for ground combat. Maybe when it comes to air combat we have a littel bit of a handicap as we don’t have the best fighter jets. Lakini you should rest assured that you have committed guys in your army ready to put their lives on the line for any mwananchi. I am proud to be in the Kenya Military.

  17. Been involved in a great number of deployments in Great lakes for years, I know these guys well; and what they aint is fighting armies by any stretch of imagination. A fighting force aint about uniforms, or men in boots (gumboots in this case) or loud propaganda-value militia executions. It is about depth of planning, cohesion of complimentary units, esprit of the Corp by training and leadership, etc. That is why the Libyans in 2007 with the best equipment money can buy were routed by a simple ragtag Chadian force outfitted with nothing more than somali-type “technicals” four-wheelers mounted with 7.62MM Machine guns and civilian-like fellas with AK47s! And chased 150KM inside libya to boot!!

  18. The u.p.d.f and R.D.F is important to remember that they are both an extension of a millitia who first waged guerilla war against very disorganised bandits of similar capabilities.they have never successfully waged a modern war and its beyold human imagination why the purpotet strengths of u.p.d.f has failed miserably to contain Kony 20 years down the line.As for r.d.f ,they may be a village hardened outfi,t but they lack the elements and the character of anything worth of being called an army.
    As for kenya army,we all know they are the most professional and best equipped force in this region but untill recently they have not efficiently engaged in patrolling the borders leading to various incidents that could have been avoided.if the theory part that suggests they good can be put on the ground,time will tell when they face conflict.

  19. The egress of al-shaabaab into Kenya is not entirely consequent to inefficiencise of kenya’s Military Cover, but more a consequence of the complex Demographies of the NFD area that exploit cracks in our Policing Networks both inside Kenya and Inside Somalia. IThis is not unexpected nor a fatal failing, and if you have ever deployed in the infamous NFD of Kenya, you would not be so quick to make the conclusion that our Armed Forces are not effective on the Border. No border is effectively sealed, and the best example of this is the heavily militarised and surveilled USA-Mexican Border. Moreover, effective policing does sometimes allow limited and controlled breeches such as these to better understand the extent of the compromises to the Security Cover and their networks/connections. Afterall any illegals eventually have to go to ground, have local contact and support, including financials and mobilisers. It is complex, my buddy Pain-in-the-ass, but well within control. Rest easy, bra!!

  20. Am kenyan cittizen,25 year old and turkana by tribe.I have diploma in hygene and food production.cert in computer.At the moment nafanya kasi kama chef and i would like to one of the kenyan army.plz, Thanks sir.

  21. loriu ekalale
    Look out for the Advertisement on Recruitment Notification which is due just about now. Find out early enough the cut-off requirements necessary, and more importantly start rigorous physical and mental preparations for the Interview, the mental being more important as it is this which will separate you from any other fella just seeking a job – a good drill sergent will spot you from the rubble by your focus and mental committlent to be a soldier! Good luck, young fella.

  22. Ole nkarei,
    Thank you for the depth of information you have exhibited on this blog plus other blogs ive read You having been deployed in wide range of countries in this region,by your own assessment which armies would you regard highly in various dimensions that constitute worthiness?i mean in eastern and central africa,over.

  23. Just for the record, its Uncle Sam, not Uncle Tom.

  24. you are right walter thank you for the correction.

  25. Hip-shot response might be impossible to take, Pain-in-the-ass, but when considering the Greater EAC and IGAD, and connsidering the phethora of criteria to be depth of Intel & Planning, Heavy Battle Armour, Air-Interdiction Abilities, Rapid Troop deployment both Aerial and Ground, Air-defense abilities, Bombadier abilities both Ground and Aerial, Battle Anti-tank abilities both mobile and static, Ordnance and Equipment, Leader-training & Corps depth, Logistics and re-supply, Capacity to General Mobilisation(size of economy, external links and treaties, etc), Command & Control Structures, able Population size & education, General Preparedness,,, the list is endless.
    And all these factors are not static and may alter dramatically in the event of open hostitlities. Iti is virtually impossible to make this call with certainity, buddy, which is always an interesting Subject in our Combat Schools. What is easy to do is to knock out the pretenders, the non-contenders, and clearlythese are Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Eriteria. That leaves out Ethiopia, Tanzania, Kenya, and the DRC slumbeing Giant. Now factor in that the composition of one or several alliances within this group would change the situation no ends, and see how difficult your question is? Eeiiish!!

  26. Ole Nkarei,

    Are you overlooking Sudan? I mean the Arab North. They are arming themselves like no one else in the region. They might have been weak before but this is changing. What is your take?

  27. Nkarei,
    Quite interesting to see D.R.C on your list of worth armies.I thought that the wars that have ravaged them has left them in tatters with most of the soldiers joining rebel ranks and others getting demoralised.Is there anything special going on there that cataputs them to the top of this list?By the way as Oleikoma implies,is’nt Sudan armed to the teeth or those parades and amazing display of weaponly including missiles is a gimmick? Last time i checked about millitary expenditures Sudan spends more than a billion dollar per year on their millitary.what do you think big bro.

  28. Sudan spent roughly equal to Kenya in 2008 which amounted to USD 550 Million / Sudan USD585 Million. On paper consequently, that should require quite some Armed Force to utilise. However, for the very same reasons Libya whose Expenditure amounted to just under USD2.6Billion the same year, were repelled and then chased half-way to tripoli by a rag-tag bandit army of chadians mounted on “techicals”just like you see in Mogadishu. More than the equipment, it is the driver of it, the operator that counts, hence the equipment is only as good as the operator. Sudan is fatally sapped by this north-south intenecine war that has raged over 40years, which has eaten it’s social fabric to the extent that its military is not much different from a “resistance force” quiet incapable of projecting any aggressive action in force anywhere including the sudan itself. The Garang army isnt anything to write home about and any credible government-funded Army should have put a close to the South a long time ago. Moreover the infrastructure that would be so vitally necessary in the south towards the border with Kenya, for the projection and prosecution of any aggressive intention towards kenya, has remained for decades undevelop, ignored and utterly unsuited for this purpose. The DRC is in chaos primarily because of its potential to dormninance over the entire central africa region. It only needs one bloodthirsty military chap with genius to entrap this potential into in a projection of power,and you wil all wake up to a different world.
    War games in our defense schools show kenya confortabley destroying whatever BattleArmour the Sudanese have in very short order, and completely shutting down their skies over Southern Sudan in equally short order. Hands down!

  29. Quite true Mr Ole Nkarei, Sudan may not pose a threat to us in the short or medium term, but are we not to pay attention to the kind of weapons that our northern neighbours are buying? I mean things like 4th generation Su-27 fighter jets in Ethiopia and the MiG 29s in the Sudan. I know that other factors must be considered besides these planes alone, but look these are very potent machines nonetheless.Enough to inspire us to at least get the equivalent of the F-16.
    We have argued elsewhere about the agility of our F-5 fighter jet, but i thought we are in a much better position than the likes of Ethiopia to afford a more modern fighter.

  30. Risasi, where are you, mate? I am taking fire!
    Your Airwarfare queries is really in the deep end of my ken, Buddy! But I have called in “close ground support” Air Unit called “Risasi”. But on the query about the Sudan Military Spending, the critical consideration in this question is duo-fold (1) are you arming with a defensive posture, or ( 2) are you seeking aggressive force with deadly intentions. Depending on which of these are your posturing, your composition of equipment is determined. Consider the heavy content Tanzania’s Air-defense, field artillery and tactical Mortars against their complete lack in Heavy Battlefield Armour, Air-power of any sort, Hard Anti-tank abilities, and Combat Troop Movement capacity, mirrored by the Sudanese situation, and you see how puny their force no matter the expenditure in Hardware becomes. It speaks generally of the state and quality of their Military Leadership, and gives confidence to any professional Force staging war games against both the Tanzanians and Sudanese. Risasi where are you?

  31. On several sites ive come across including janes defence,the SIZE of our armed forces is cited as the greatest deficiecncy especially compared with our potential adversaries-ethiopia and uganda,Our training and proffesionalism is not in doubt and our equipment is regarded as superior against them.On doing some research about the size of our forces,i realized it was hard to get an actual figure given that diffferent sources gave spread out figures without any credibility at all.Now,what is the estimate and another question i’d like to pose from you guys in the millitary is that on studying the composition of various armed forces,i wonder if we have highly specialized units in our force that could be called in to subdue highly defended targets or carry out special raids behind enermy lines.any information?

  32. Pain-in-the-ass – have you ever wondered why in the midst of the incredible chaos sorrounding Kenya during the past fourty years, with hostile belligerent forces on all sides, and everybody seeming to square off with everybody, not one of our neighbours has ever tested the resolve of our Military Forces? The Mantra most recalled during Combat Schools is Preparation-to-depth, and again Preparation-to-depth, and this starts from the in-depth assessment of all threat counters, to designing and training appropriately to meet them. It involves disinformation/proganda, soft and hard covert functions, equiping and training, etc. An Armed Force isnt the shinning equipment trotted out on National Days, nor the ocassional “successful operation” against rag-tag armed bandits before international Media. You would be surprised how much time some poor desk-types spend reading through blogs like these, and planting their own little titbits in themselves. Therefore you query about the composition and effectual capacity of individual Units of our Armed Forces is unlikely to generate any credible response, buddy! Another thing – some of these sources you may be feeding from such as Jane’s this-or-that perform precisely the same function describe above. The International Trade in Arms feeds upon itself, and has little to do with politics or morality. Please use the african sagesse of taking it a pinch-at-a-time!!

    • a well armed somali, Ethiopia,Eriterian and Tutsi squad can take care of a well armed Kenyan army battalion. It is not only arms that matter but the courage and we alll know Kikuyu and the Gema military will not stand in the way of a simple somali men. This has been proven over and over many times.

      The Kenya’s are good at raping and killing innocent villager and passing around AID virus.

      • Away with your tribal mentality. I suppose you also think the entire Kenya army is made up of Only Kikuyu/Gema. There are other communities that include the Somali as well. Educate yourself first. It would also help if you could sort your Somalia Problems first,- short of that you have no moral authority to speak to civilized persons.
        Tell us what you have achieved in all the wars that you have fought and sadly lost all of them. Where is the strength that you boast of? Fight all you want, but please confine this to within your borders. Should you be stupid enough to cross, then we shall see the truth of your post.

      • I advice primitive stone age characters like you to get an education first so as to make comments with substance.
        I really pity people like u as we don’t have a place for people like you in Kenya!!

  33. Nkarei,
    So who would you recommend as some what reliable as a source of credible information on millitary matters especially for a person like myself who has a new found appetite for this jagon and related items on this menu?I recognize that even those who contribute on this blog may have other intents’ and on the same token i reckon that the love for one country may lead them to OVER ESTIMATE him armed forces and UNDERESTIMATE the enermy .What do you say big timer?

  34. i meant his armed forces.

  35. The Major brings up a very good point; misinformation. One saying suggests that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled off was to convince people he didn’t exist. The Somali pirates clearly have not mastered that feat yet. Have we seen any hijackings within Kenya’s territorial waters? I read a report that suggests the Navy has been stepping up patrols. Does al Shabaab and the pirate ‘brotherhood’ operate independently?

    Also, on an unrelated subject, I was hoping for a personal, (or otherwise) opinion on Congo’s Gen. Laurent Nkunda. I am doing an interview with a former Rwandan soldier/rebel (not sure which noun to use yet). He suggests that Nkunda still wields considerable clout in the area. It has also been suggested within our conversations that quite a number of his former fighters are more than willing to take up arms, for what they see as a miscarriage of justice with his continued incarceration. Is ‘The Chairman’ too popular to punish?

    • Mwistar, where are you, mate? You concluded your interview with the Nkunda rebel? Most likely to have been an RDF Intelligence office feeding you disinformation, to find out what connections and intentions you had with this Kivu query. If you have not prosecuted to the full this line of thought, beware of the web of deceit that covers the KIVU / ITURI region’s power plays!

  36. Pain-in-the-ass – warfare is really deadly business, not just to the Soldier but to his mother, his children, country. Last thing Military Planners needs is self-delusion or under-estimation of ANY threat counters. The results would be unimaginable to any Soldier. Morever, when I am out “there” I must trust that proper assessment of the situation was done by the Planning Brass that sends me in, so that my reactive assessment on the field is derived from these tangible believables. So that Kenya remaining undisturbed and free from real external Military Threats is not an illusory state neither are assertions made that the deterrent capacity of your Armed Forces have secured this situation delusional underestimation. Take that to the bank, buddy!

    As concerns “General Nkunda” I and some buddies were swabbing tuskers with this fella on road-side bars in Kichukiro – Kigali, weeks after he was supposedly arrested and confined by Rwanda for his activities in Ituri and South Kivu!! This guy does not exist beyond the minds of the clever military strategists in Kigali who created him. His army does not exist either, and all the uniforms you see and hear around him are bonafide RDF servicemen masquarading as rebels in Ituri and Kivu. The entire rebel upraising in effect is Rwanda’s annexation of Kivu and Uganda egress into the Ituri. And because this devilish plot and activities fits into the American/British Agenda of wrestle influence and control from the French, the entire world is saturated with sustained misinformation and propaganda that “creates’ a people”s appraising in the Congo!! Ask around in any Military HQ in Eastern Africa and you will be surprised how incredibly clever and convoluted this plot is!.

  37. Well major,
    switching to another subject,ive on several occasions seen you dismiss U.P.D.F as a non player but do’nt you think that with the tendencies they have demonstrated and with flowing petrol dollars they might sooner than later feast on a false believe that kenya too is a fair game and i like to predict that the only thing predictable about uganda is their unpredictability.i know the future threats are already addressed but how much of a threat are they for now and in future.I was stunned by american and british analysts who on addressing China as millitary threat reffered to Chinese millitary as so absolete that they are the biggest millitary MUSEUM in the world.Given that we seem to be looking east for our hardware,and as china recently supplied our forces with the so called “absolete” equipment,and if poor countries like uganda and ethiopia can afford more decent fighters is’nt time to upgrade?I know you have argued that the strength is not in the hardware alone but given that our forces have the character it takes,dont you think our economy can handle more than what we get?

  38. Pain-in-the-Ass, the changing environment forms the only consideration to military strategic planning, as indeed the constant is known and measures already in place to counter this. What you indicate about Uganda and her oil, as well as the “obsolete equipment from China” are legitimate threat areas for study. But do remember that the biggest money-spenders are government and the biggest international market is indeed the Arms / Military Hardware Market. Competition is cutthroat, no-holds-barred, and all means legitimate. And who excercises the greatest disinformation and propaganda ability in the market ? again the military-industrial complex! And who is the greatest proponent of it in history? The Americans and their Western allies! Their economies are build upon the Defence Industries, and competition from the East portends deadly social-economic problems for them. It is a declaration to war, and is treated as such. Do not believe all you hear/read – take it with the african nose-tobacco pinch-at-a-time. I reckon I have given you all I can about Kenya without soiling my Commission, bro. Lets talk about the Congo Conflict if you want?

  39. Let’s talk mercenaries.
    Although I was still quite young, I remember a soldier-for-hire outfit from South Africa, Executive Outcomes, that was sent to secure the oil fields in Angola during the civil war. How common are these private military types in Africa? What deters a President like M7, or Kabila from renting a few chaps to quell some of these embarrassing skirmished they get into? Are there implications that a civilian like me doesn’t automatically see?

  40. Thank you major.You have been more than adequate with your information and knowledge.I dont wish to push you too far for specifics that would otherwise compromise your oath- for lack of better term.
    Talking of congo conflict,you had a good review of their millitary which makes me wonder how the outside influece has played a role in the chaos that persist there today.With all those minerals and natural wealth i think a lasting peace is elusive plus a hanging cloud of malicious neighbors not mentioning the havoc that african ethnicity has inflicted on themselves.What am saying is that i can cite many places in africa from Nigeria to chad to God knows where ,where minerals and resouces have brought havoc than blessings.What say you over?

  41. Well, the Outfit Executive Outcomes died out when Margaret Thatcher’s Son was caught in the CAR in a failed Coup dÉtat. You see, during the sixties to early eighties, the eternal conflict over resources in Africa was basically a clear divide between two opposing sides, couched in Ideology and Class euphemism. Mercenaries were often hired by either side, through proxies like M7( in today’s scene) a nd Kasavubu in Congo. Then Africans became educated, sofisticated and generally their politics developed complications without Ideology, while the collapose of the International Ideological divide removed all moral differentiations between the two sides of yore leading to the development of a dog-race without loyalties or long-lasting friends – “Vital National Interests” ruled!. Western Governments ceased doing their dirty wars in Africa through proxies resulting in mercenaries themselves facing Trained and Equiped American, British, French Russian Soldiers actively engaged in protecting the dictatorships the Mercenaries targeted, whom these mercenaries would have overran in previous days. All pretensions by Economic Powers evaporated, and essentially the Mercenary armies “evolved”. The recent raids of Rwanda in the Kivu and the Uganda egress into the CAR outfitted from the USARMY and led by USARMY special force elements is a perfect example of this use of National Armies of the Western Powers in direct Military Conflict for Resources in Africa! Of course, the international airwaves are roped in to dupe the world to real purpose of these wars and the involvement of these Western Countries in them.

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  43. In continuation therefore, Economic Powers simply identify what they see as their Vital National Interests in any region, based mostly on resources or security, and identify or create a leadership in that region whose interest dove-tail into their own. The conflict in the two KIVUs and ITURI of the Congo is a text-book case in point of the above, although the entire Congo Conflict of the last 50 years would substantially vindicate this view. Congo has every sort of mineral wealth you can imagine, in numbers that boggle the mind. Virtually priceless to Western Economies in their dominance of International trade. Now, factor in a generational genocide lasting 150years that the same Western Economic powers fostered either directly or in proxy through years of careful selection, and the obsfucation of ideological differentiation, and you have the two KIVUs and ITURI. How else is it possible for a single tribal grouping speaking one language and one culture that spans the entire KIVUs, ITURI, all of Rwanda and Burundi, upper western Tanzania and large swathes of Western Uganda, be so senselessly fratricidal that 6Millions of them are dead from thrust and counter-thrust raids over the past 15years alone? The horrors in this region are unforgiveable and unforgetable, an absolute indictment on the morality on Humanity itself!

  44. See you all in 6 weeks – deploying now.

  45. Maj Ole Nkarei, i have every reasons to doubt every piece of information you’ve supplied. Why? Because on another blog http://www.kenyaimagine.com/Economy/The-Case-AGAINST-Military-Draft-in-Kenya.html you vehemently defended the hijacked arms on MV Faina as being Kenyan. However months later, satellite imagery showed ’em sitting on the ground in S. Sudan. I remember telling you that the kenya army doesn’t openly admit to owning even a handgun. Now to serious matters, what good is a wicked armour, cut throat special forces and skilled propaganda officers if we can’t have air superiority? Our tanks will be crushed by MiG’s and Sukhois (which coincidentally are said to have TVC-Thrust Vector Control) While we park our F-5’s like the Iraqis did in desert storm. Do not fool yourself, sir, even the best army needs some Air support. You claim the Japs too have quality hardware? well too bad, coz according to their constitution they can’t sell even a bolt from a warplane without violating their constitution. Risasi, i find u reliable enough. Tell me, if u can’t establish air supremacy over a battle what happens?

  46. I too has followed closely what Nkarei has supplied and claimed to be in several websites and my best assessment tell me that he is a government agent whose mission is to mis-inform and throw people off the track.There is no doubt the man himself is well informed and very articulate almost to a level of being called a genius but his assertions are very questionable especially when it comes to the T 72s.No matter how much they try to sell the idea those tanks belonged to Kenya am not buying that junk.Evenwatoto wa nyayo know that Kenya has never procured russian made weapons as the main hardware for our forces.Nato made weapons have been the centerpiece of our defence equipment and this flimsy defence of t72s as kenyan is conjured piece of misinformation perpetrated by an inept govenrment aided by a secretive army that is ready to ride the government will till the wheels come off. Try again please.

  47. Jasiri buddy – a battle of any substantive proportion demands establishing a balance of violence from very many and various battle facets at moments that are specific and all of which are part of a war-planning jigsaw. Air power by itself is described often as “”air cover” “air support” or in such similar descriptive namings. Even it’s such functions are valid, really, and the specific nature of these just as varied. It is not possible to win any sizeable war on a single-faceted mode.
    But I must add that I am not a deskjockey riding a disinformation kite here, as alleged by some fella or other. I am a soldier, well trained, highly motivated and of some usable experience, and break no bones that WAR is my business that I know goddamn well. I know nothing else!!

  48. Cmon people.war is not just mobilizing troops givin em guns putting them in trucks and taking them to where the enemy is.there is a lot of logistics and planning involved. first off the issue of Kenya’s “dwarf” force fronted by Jasiri. there is such a thing as a national defence strategy.it involves mobilization of the standing army, regrouping, arming and activation of the reserve force, (in Kenyas case it involves retired military personnel, the AP service and the excellently trained GSU paramilitary unit not to mention the KWS….yes the KWS FYI they are considered one of the best bush fighters in the world) the number of this formidable reserve force is somewhere in the whereabouts of 50 – 70,000 battle ready personnel. What the country has in its arsenal at this moment is meant to repel and hold back the enemy while the 8 billion dollar war reserve fund is being mobilized.with this kind of money and force Kenya can defend herself from upto 3 fronts for a considerable amount of time.dont forget that a clause exists in the constitution and the armed forces act that every kenyan can be called upon to defend Kenyas sovereignty when push comes to shove. we have enough training facilities to put out 6 or more batches of new recruits every year in case of a drawn out conflict unlikely as it might be. when talking about air superiority it is important not only to look at the number and type of aircraft flown but also the training and support from ground crews and ground based air defence systems.i tell you if those ugandan Migs dare cross that border they will be shot down before they crosss the Yala river and this i say with utmost confidence.

    • i would like to give my opinion about the mu7 sukhois , the sukhois are good planes with better manouverbility . but the quantity of the planes doesnt make much significance with moonsters like su bukim missiles which have the capability of optical visualization making it impossible to electronically jam it , one single shot from these missiles can hit multiple targets making it very unlikely that these sukhois would give updf the kind of leverage they would desire .its good that the ugandans have shown the desire to buy sirius weapons but its also good to buy in viable quantities like a squadroon .

  49. “It is not possible to win any sizeable war on a single-faceted mode.” Ole Nkarei,i did not in any possible way insinuate that air power alone is sufficient to achieve victory. if i may quote ,myself, i said “what good is a wicked armour, cut throat special forces and skilled propaganda officers if we can’t have air superiority?” I agree completely with you that air superiority alone is not enough to achieve battle victory. However it does play a big role. If the enemy warplanes can strike behind our forces lines, hitting supply bases, arms dumps, fuel dumps and an occasional opportunity target that present itself while their(enemy) armour hits viciously at our front line troops what would we have to sustain our troops? Air support is vital in any modern confrontation.
    “D” you say “the 8 billion dollar war reserve fund is being mobilized.” Agreed we may have an intact 8b war reserve kitty. it’s utilisation means buying equipment for our fighting forces. Picture this, war has begun the 8B kitty is now being utilised equipment is being procured rapidly. Tell me how much time will the troops have to familiarise with the new weapons and learn to use them in co-ordination ( using one systems strength to cover another systems weaknesses)? When u talk about Ugandan MiGs do you forget other potent Air Forces around us? Ethiopian air force, Sudanese Air Force? Have heard of a term called SEAD-Suppression of Enemy Air Defences? What if the opposing air forces are skilled in effecting the doctrine? It is not enough to count on air defence to protect our skies fully knowing that such systems can be jammed. With Sudanese air forces investing in drones and electronic countermeasures is it realistic to count on this form of defence? Risasi where are you man, i need you to answer this for me.

  50. I can see a new front here. I have only been getting feeds from “Kenya Air force buys junk fighter jets” pages. Otherwise I would have got the distress calls sooner.
    I will also subscribe to this page and contribute to what I know.

  51. I don’t think you understood “D” on the concept behind the USD 8B (not sure on the right amount) pot. It is for facilitating and not for procurements two different topics, in case of an eventuality. Part of the cash is to assist in rapid response. For instance
    at montogwe each naval ships has cash in USD stacked in its safe. And mapeni haya si ya kununua silaha bali ni ya kufanya wana maji wetu wawezi kuenda high sea take positions, buy food and refuel while await the next course of actions.

    As for “SEAD” per say no country in Africa has the tools to perform such a sortie.

  52. appreciate the sober answer. as for the “wanamaji wetu mtongwe”do you mean the sailors on those gun boats? Our flagship, Shujaa, has no anti-ship capability. the only potent machines we have are the Nyayo class boats(over 25 years old). Amphibious capability=0. KNS Jasiri, a good ship a must say, is beached in Spain. we cannot even attempt a beach landing on somalia territoty. I don’t know what you gus think but am of the opinion we need a total overhaul of our defence equipment.

  53. KNS Shujaa has never been a flag ship of the navy, I don’t know where you heard about that. It, s secondary function is training. It is true, it has no dedicated fire control system (radars, missiles etc)but it has all the support infrastructure need to turn it into a modern corvettes when need be.
    This is a window that can be used in the future other then buying a new vessel. Hook it up with the weapons of choice , depending on the navy’s analysis of it future weapons and crafts. As at this moment it can be loaded with the same type fire control systems of the Nyayo class corvettes.

    shujaa on the left. compare It with nyayo . only thing missing are the radars and missiles.

  54. At the moment the navy doesn’t face any immediate threat .The Somali navy collapsed. Ethiopia sold its vessels when it became a land locked country after the Eritrean war. As a result the nyayo class boats (25 yres old) have no match in this coastal line other then Egypt and South Africa. And what’s the probability of engaging them? Lets use this period to spend our funds wisely. Other that routinely procuring new corvettes every 10 year, spend the cash in units that have a deficiency in arms or equipments.

    The navy is now pursing inshore operations. The procuring smaller boats as opposed in purchasing larger corvettes is very much active.
    Amphibious warfare is mainly an invasion operation. This is not high up in the “list of things to do” for the Kenyan military. But all in all Amphibious capabilities are available from the KNS Galana and Tana.. These are landing ships that can do such duties and have done so in joint exercise with the USMC like the Exercise EDGE MALLET.

    I bet you never heard of the HSV-2 Swift.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSV-2_Swift
    It is a state of the art new ship for the USN. Amphibious supplies, mine countermeasures are just some of its duties.
    guess who(nationality) runs the show in its operations stations?

  55. HSV-2 swift built by Australians, who also built or otherwise the Houbei class of the PLAN Navy, on lease to the U.S Navy. As a result of their impressive performance on littorals the U.S Navy is building a littoral combat ship with the same Catamaran or Trimaran hull. Risasi, i belong to the sea.
    Amphibious operations are invasion, correct. Only last year you were massing at th borders to invade Somalia. With efficient landing ships, couldn’t you have achieved the starategic advantage of hitting al-shabab at Kismayo through a marine force landing(Najua tuko na marines) while bulldozing them on land with the army? in any case, if Kenya were to find herself in a confrontational situation with Tanzania think of the massive advantage we would have with an amphib force. Please do not insult corvettes by calling navy missile boats corvettes. corvettes are like the braunshweig of the German Navy.

  56. When I was mentioning the HSV-2 swift and its state of art performance I wanted to your attention, that although we don’t have allocated tools for amphibious assault we have competent brains doing the same task somewhere else. http://www.africom.mil/getArticle.asp?art=4101&lang=0
    If indeed are in the navy then you must the Maj. An I don’t see why you think Galana and Tana can’t perform a mini amphibious assault if a need be. The operations you suggestion on Al-Shabab or Tanzania, would they be in jeopardy without an amphibious assault? I don’t think so. I also don’t fore see any confrontation with Tanzania.

  57. When you say you belong to the sea its not the same as saying you belong to the Navy. The devil is in the details soldier. anyway back to the debate, i believe Tana and Galana cannot launch any significant amphib opperation because of their relatively small cargo hold. how many tanks can this two vehicles cary anyway, 4 combined? now does that make any difference when you are trying to establish a beachhead? at least two newer more capable vessels ought to do the trick. Though the said operations won’t be in jeopardy without the assistance of the Marines, it would certainly minimise casualties by distributing the threat evenly. Also think of the tactical advantage it affords us. We mass at the border, Al-shabab thinks that we will launch a land invasion and we support that by using recce aircraft to galvanise their misconception. Under cover of darkness, our amphib force slips out of Manda bay and launches a surprise invasion at Kismayo. They realise they are duped and a sizeable no of fighters are orderd from the borders to come defend their HQ in Kismayo. That’s when the Army strikes, when they are turning back to defend Kismayo. Result, total surprise=total annihilation of al-shabab. now tell me the amphibs are not neccesary.

    • Striking the opponent from the rear is a specialty of the 20th para. Bn.

      • Well if that’s what it takes to defeat the Al-shabab then the Americans would have done it by now. Not so? Si wako navyo hivyo viva? Hawa ni magaidi bwana, they don’t follow expected military Doctrines of troop managements. Further more what do they have in the HQ that they would die to part with? There are only maps and radios. Their HQ are not total nerve center as you would expect. Their HQ are spaced all over in Domestic homes. Take out one and they regroup to build again. The Americans tried it only to be humiliated at the end

      • how effective are the 20 para,wat armament do they have?

  58. So does that mean we can’t have a contingency plan? seriously risasi, are you this impervious to change?

  59. Risasi, we can completely wipe out al-shabab. That i say with confidence. If you want me to completely lay out a battle plan just say so, but not in this public forum. We have a very big advantage over the Americans and should we utilise this, we solve east Africa’s biggest headache.

  60. It’s not a matter of being impervious to change. It’s an actual reality.equipments are procured with a grave thoughts in mind, and will be a part and parcel of the existing kenyan military doctrines and strategies. No unnecessary experiments, which could turn out to be costly and expensive manage in the future. No wishful thinkings. Nothing else other then a responsible evaluation, before committing any cash. How many times do you think the country wanted to buy Soviet Era equipments but didn’t because they wouldn,t fit in our matrix? You are suggesting we buy number of Hover crafts, troop boats and landing crafts which the probability of using them is minimal in a span so many years to come. The best the equipment will do is to draining out funds in attritions and trainings. This is tax payers money, that can be use else where in the military budgets for a better good. Previously I told you we have even halted procuring naval craft as we don’t anticipate any threat greater then what we have in store.

  61. i have just noticed you either have a habit of exaggerating or you don’t notice the details in anything. I said “at least two newer more capable vessels ought to do the trick” i even said two! hover craft are unnecessary, troop boats pia but two more capable landing crafts to me are. Risasi you are a soldier, argue constructively don’t be so intent on adding words to my statement so as to discredit them.

  62. naval vessels are expensive.i dont think any african navy would risk their priced boats in a out and out naval battle especially in this era of anti ship missiles like the Gabriel that said i do not foresee TZ or Sudan investing in a navy to rival our own too soon i think our waters are safe it is up to us to invest in a formidable navy that would act as a deterrent against potential enemies.but i think its high time we have a marine force on lake victoria.nothing big, a brown water landing craft and a sizeable specially trained force like the CDU.that would give M7 something to think about.

  63. wewe bwana hivyo viva vyako havina mahali kwenye jesi letu at the moment. i don’t know how you arrive at two not three or more landing craft. You want to force it down my throat that it’s the right time to have an amphibious squadron. what are the bases of your facts? What organs have you used for your analysis and research to arrive at that quantity? i am telling you once again ,the crafts in mtongwe are adequate for the present and future threats. Any thing more would be good ok but it will be a waste of funds and the peaceful window that we can be used for betterment of our forces.

  64. I said two because with the neighbours we have we don’t need to ferry a whole armoured battalion via sea. two more vessels would supplement Kns Tana and Kns Galana because i believe that their current payload is way too insignificant. Risasi what’s wrong with you? i am not forcing this decision on you (by the way kwani wewe ndio unanunua hizi vitu?) I am posting arguments to support my point. The sooner you do the same the better chances you have of convincing me they are not necessary. But when you start answering me like an ignorant civy unworthy of your ideas, coz i feel you are going down that path, the easier i loose respect for your arguments. If it’s too much for you to answer si u radio in support? i may not quite be the layman you think i am.

    • It looks like we are looking at the same coin from different angles. You are posting you verdicts based on your rationality and instincts which I don,t have any track records of, while I am posting my arguments from a kenyan Military doctrines aspects. What else can I tell you more at this point?

      i don,t procure for the armed forces as you said , but tax payers cash ought to be spend wisely
      .

  65. u guys are taking this 2 personally yet i think on the most crucial points you are in agreement.our navy has the ability to kick ass anywhere between Jo-burg n Cairo no questions asked.but this freedom of disagreement is what we are in the forces to protect.there is another blog going on and on about the F-5s this one is mostly about the naval capabilities.personally i would like a forum to have a healthy discussion about our land forces.specifically heavy armour, recce and APCs.any takes?

  66. “D” you could start one. ama uambie chronicle to start one.

  67. I’ am still confused by the T-72 tank saga. Popular opinion seems to indicate that the tanks were headed north and besides we are not known to use former East bloc weaponry.
    However i find it inconceivable that Kenya can allow in excess of 100 such machines in the hands of an unstable neighbour adding to another batch of more than 100T-54s/T-55s delivered earlier. Are we not endangering our own security? What guarantee is there that Southern Sudan will not turn against us once they are independent and stable especially over the yet to be resolved Ilemi triangle? And they will use the same arsenal that we helped them to procure.
    It might make a military sense to arm Southern Sudan in order to create a buffer zone between us and the arab north, but is this a prudent move? What if there occurs a regime change in the South that sides with the north and is hostile to Kenya. Somebody please enlighten me.

  68. There is a lot more that happens inside DOD than meets the eye Mr. Olekoima. Let us assume for agruments sake that the T – 72s are indeed meant for GoSS. It takes a lot of logistics run an armoured battalion of that size.remember like all ground forces tanks are vulnerable without sufficient air cover is at all these tanks were meant for South Sudan the sheer number of these machines would warrant a visible push by the S. Sudanese to establish an Air Cav force.there would be reports of training of chopper pilots and grounded support staff for these birds all over.if anybody has heard of this please feel free to enlighten me. we would also had seen pictures of more tanks being shipped up north than the 15 that were all over TV.ask yourself where are the remaining 95?as far as i know the tanks we saw on TV were headed for training missions. No offence to GoSS despite them waging a long war against the north the tactics they used were guerilla tactics and are incompatible with the tanks that are reported to belong to them. plus they dont have the logistical support and knowledge to manage such a formidable tank batallion.a friend of mine in the 81st TB informed me that he had indeed participated in the commissioning and training of these tanks. to cut a long story short and answer your question all what you keep hearing is as a result of delibarate misinformation.

    • and by the way take a look at all the tanks made post the Vickers mk 3 era. in the west there is non that fits kenya’s use in terms of economy what is the use of breaking the bank to aquire even the early model challenger tank whose chobham armour will remain classified by the british. the Abrams uses a type of fuel that will be a logistical nightmare for us.besides we cant even afford it.make no mistake about it our troops are trained to use a wide range of military hardware.there are a couple of airforce boys who have flight time in the F-16,we still send officers to sandhurst to train with the best to be the best.the T-72 just happened to make sense at this time.

  69. i tend to agree with “D”. The Abrahams is a fuel guzzler and with a gas turbine engine, it would be a nightmare to maintain. Plus at 60 tons, it would require a complete overhaul of our tank transport trucks! Leopard two(German) and the T-90 are just way to advanced for our backyard. it would be like going bush hunting with a laser gun. The T-72 makes perfect sense. It runs on a surprising list of readily available fuel, it is simple and cheap to maintain, it can survive in the tropics and it it’s better than anything the neighbours have at the moment. as for the T54 and 55’s we can safely assume those are for S. Sudan. I mean it just doesn’t make sense to have such museum types in our arsenal. Tango Oscar Nkarei, kindly tell let us know the status of the Pions, Grads and the impressive B-52 Nora(I must commend the armed forces on this one)

  70. i think the one thing we can agree on is that on when it comes to artillery we are the cream of the crop.

  71. AFFIRMATIVE.

  72. Thanks ‘D’ and Jasiri. It is that that something doesn’t seem to add up with this South Sudanese angle. I mean it is almost impossible for a rag-tag army to transform itself overnight into a formidable outfit complete with a tank force almost thrice that of stable Kenya.

  73. Hey “d” I am not so certain on the Field Artillery bit though. Have you had a look at TZ ‘s . Of all their capabilities, Artillery is the most preeminent, and indeed their defensive doctrine hinges on this. TZ have a hell of a lot of Pieces, and of a good mix, so that on a short, crisp exchange they might cause substantial damage. However, Kenya trains deeper in Usage of Artillery, as we do with all equipment and all formations – those fighter boys with F16Airtime Kenya also has greater resources much more easily brought on-line in case of a general mobilisation, as well as much more reliable and durable external defence treaties. But……

  74. Jasiri, I would love to respond on the Pions, Grads and the impressive B-52 Nora, but these open sites make for some discomfort. I am certain you know what I mean.

  75. Impressive blog indeed.Its significant to note that Tz millitary doctrine is defensive in nature and Kenya has no Scheeme to annex anybodys territory.Furthermore,Tz and kenya have good relations and no territorial disputes not withstanding the fact that Kenya has formidable resources to bring to bear on any armed forces in this hemisphere.I would appreciate this blog more if you observe and respond to the fact that we have more aggresive neighbors who either out of arrogance or an itch for a fight have entered and occupied Kenyas territory at will.Case in point: Our president and our prime minister have both maintained that Migingo is Kenyas territory yet kenyans are harrassed and extorted every day by an occupying force.Last time i raised this issue a Millitary man responded to me and said that Kenya millitary doctrine is besed on National interests and a clear and imminent danger to the country.Well,fine,my question is that even if Migingo does not pose the said clear and present danger,isnt the job of our forces to protect kenyan territory and kenyans anywhere and be patriotic and loyal to this land and not to inividuals.Is it not the job of our millitary advisors to tell the president that the pride of a nation and the solemn promise to keep it safe is the utmost endeavour that must be honored.Why are you guys going to far yet the trouble is on your back?

  76. to one man army,

    kikosi hakiwezi amka tu na kuamua kwenda vita. together with TZ the kenya army is the only one that acknowledges that it is under civilian authority. in short no orders no action.get it?

  77. So D what you are saying is that you aree with me whats lacking is civilian leadership?If not whats your review of this situation?

  78. I mean do you agree that land is sovereighn and we must protect and fight for every inch and that we took an oath to honor that irrespective of poor leadership?And i agree with you that we are under civilians but arent they human beings who are prone to mistakes?Where is the sober mind that took the oath to defend?

  79. “Of all their capabilities, Artillery is the most preeminent, and indeed their defensive doctrine hinges on this” Ole Nkarei if the Pions and can pound Tanzania good then their artillery strength will be neutralised. Plus, the lack of any significant air force works heavily to their disadvantage. Our tiger and mosquito crews can wreck hell on their Arty sites. Our advantage mainly lies with the Nora. This mean machine is highly mobile meaning we can effectively employ shoot and scoot tactics.
    one man army, utaimba utachoka. The Armed Forces is so heavily under civilian control that what you are writing is just the same as white noise to a radar operator. Do you know that even before the Kenya Military leaves for peacekeeping operations abroad, the Foreign affairs ministry must approve? Yeah, that is how tight the chains are.

  80. “I am certain you know what I mean.” Kiapo cha utii. naeza kupa my persinal e-mail? what do you say?

  81. Nisikilizi one man army. H.E and M7 are just playing with peoples mind. . Hawa ni wana siasa bwana. And they will do any thing in order to pacify a rough situation in their countries. Vile mimi na ona maoni yangu ,this is just a political game. Kwanza kisiwa hichi kina nini ? Migingo has nothing to fight for. It’s just a 5 acre piece of rock in the middle of a lake nothing more. According to me this Migingo story is just a political quencher for the H.E and M7. Whenever there is a political unrest in the countries, the story erupts. What a coincidence. The saga usually causes anxiety and some form of togetherness and patriotism for the citizens. They are using this saga to deviate the attention of the citizen when a political mess is prevailing.

    Wewe just look at the timings or when the next Migingo issue will hit the Head lines. Then weight on the prevailing political situation either in Kenya or Ug. The H.E mpaka hivi sasa hajatoa ambri yoyote kuhusiana na kisiwa hichi, kama ninavyo juwa mimi. I don,t mean invading the island but just to tell his defense staff to look in and give possible ideas on regaining it. What about trade blockage from our country? Pia hiyo inamshida? He is so confident and reluctant. When the kibera boys damage the railway because of this issue, the railway track was immediately rebuild. The H.E and M7 both know what there doing.

    Whenever the two meet in international spheres it doesn’t seem to me like, there is any animosity between the two leaders. Hii si mara ya kwanza. Mzee pia used it when he had political problems. Mwalimu claimed Kenya up to likoni. how absurd ?
    Politics is a dirty game and there no permanent friends or enemies. The sting might be on us.

  82. Yes TZ has an impressive stock of field artillery as Mr Ole Nkarei has stated above.However it is worth noting that a huge slice of Tanzania’s military inventory is rusty and therefore not operational. Doesn’t this then negate their advantage?

  83. one man army, for a guy in uniform you are treading a dangerous course on a public forum. you know who the C in C is you know the defence structure and the laws the govern it. hell even the C in C cant order a war by himself, there has to be cabinet approval then parliament has to declare war before the C in C announces it in public. if the military acts on its own there is a word for it MUTINY and you know the consequences for that in fact if anybody was to retake the island it would be the AP boys. ask the commandant he is the first line of defence.

    anyway on the issue of TZ artillery i think even if they have a wide range f peaces none of them has the range and firepower of the Pion. most of their artillery is not self propelled and with the lack of sufficient air cover our birds would do recce flights find out where the artillery is set up and the pions would do the rest. i think its dangerous to have a defensive doctrine relying heavily on artillery for some reasons.
    1. most artillery pieces including howitzers and field guns are of the rifled category meaning to achieve range the have to fire in archs. what if the enemy force is deployed very close to you within minimum firing range?
    2. most of TZ artillery is of the un armoured kind this makes them vulnerable to return fire from light rapid moving fire.
    3. like i already mentioned they lack sufficient air cover for their stationery artie 3 -4 4 sorties by fighters flying low to avoid SAMS especially at night when light anti aircraft fire is at its worst is their worst nightmare.
    to use this kind of doctrine you have to be very very good and efficient at protecting your strong points and as olekoima said their strong point is not that strong at the moment. i think it was just last year when their main artillery bunkers blew up with lots of munitions stored in it. hey risasi what do you think would happen if such a thing happened here?big heads would roll.speaking of big heads where is Maj. Ole Nkarei?

    • I hear Tz blames a neighbor from perpetuation the munitions blast disaster. “some neighbor wants to reduce his weapons stock pile.” In Kenya if happened at this moment ………….am out of words. But I am sure the Army CDR will have you as his lunch.

      In Kenya it also almost happened in the naval missile deport. A technician working on a missile when the missile armed itself. The staff acted promptly. The Fleet Commander at the time Col. Suwero ordered the missile to be taken onboard, ipelekwe bahari Ika fyetuliwe. The technician managed to disarm it before the missile was destroyed.
      Prompt actions and good management skills saved the day.

  84. at the time of the explosion in TZ wasnt there a heads of state conference at roughly the same time?coincidence?i tend to think not.

  85. Hey “D'”
    Iam right here, present and ready…. Just kinda concerned at some of the expressions in this blog by some uniforms. Folks, we are SOLDIERS, the Elite in our Region, professional and worthy of pride and praise. Keep the Uniform guys!!Our discourse here should be intellectual and educational, by all means, but ….
    I concur with your contention of the TZ Art component completely, and this is reflected in every studies that I have seen and partaken in . It is not a secret neither to the TPDF at all. And Heads of States of the East Africa Community were meeting in Arusha when the Dar Stock-pile blew up. I also dont see this happening in Kenya with the control regimen place currently.

  86. To my brother in arms Risasi,
    Am not suggesting that the army ignore the chain of command.This would be a violation of the oath they have vowed to uphold.It would be a betrayal to professionalism and the mandate under which the armed forces operate.
    What am sugesting here is that ive seen such negative opinions about the army in regard to failures to respord appropriately when our territory is violated. When thugs from neighboring countries violate our borders at will the common knowledge is that our forces are inept.As a matter of fact its said that we have never chased these thugs beyold our noses unlike other countries who will persue them past their borders.Remember that its not the A.Ps who take the blame though they own the biggest share to handle these situations.Its always the army thats to blame.Now,shouldn’t the chain of command be adequate enough to effectively address what gives our army a bad name?I mean is there a lack of mandate and appropriate advice to deal with such.Look,from piracy,common border violatios to God knows what,i feel there has to be a clarity as to how far we ought to go to protect this land.I may be to the far right of the pendulum,a bit randicle indeed but i feel we are not mandated to do enough or rather our commanders are working with their hands tied at their backs.’

    • one man army i think your posting should be dericted to D and not Risasi

    • one man army, nipe number ya C.O wako. You need to be charged. Ama upelekwe refresher course. the gulf of Aden is between Africa and Arabia. That is where piracy thrives best and the closest Naval stations are not kenyan one ,but French and American, in Djibouti. piracy is done in areas way out of reach from an effective rapid response action from the Kenya navy. Our media has made it look like it’s an area where the navy ought to send a speed boat with troops to intervene the pirates.the truth is It is away out from of our territorial water border let alone a Kenyan naval station. This areas are almost 2000km from the patrol areas of the Kenya navy . the distance is like traveling from Mombasa to kisumu and back to around mombasa again. So don,t confuse yourself and think that the piracy is happening at a stone throw distance from Kenyan Naval stations.

      http://mappery.com/map-of/Pirate-Attacks-off-Coast-of-Somalia-Map

  87. cmon one man army u wear the uniform you know the code of conduct and how things work its not that simple.we have always solved thing first through diplomatic means and as far as i know in all these cases of the borders being violated diplomacy has not yet failed. when it comes to piracy most of it takes place in somali or international waters. its just not in our jurisdiction thats why we let the world prefects handle it.besides its their ships that are being hijacked and its their dollars that get paid as ransom.i know that currently almost a dozen kenyan citizens have recently being hijacked by those bandits.the government is taking care of it through the best way they know how.

  88. What happened to the Hawk 52s from BAE? Were they retired? I thought they relatively newer than the F-5s that were already in the inventory. If retired what is their replacement especially on ground attack role.
    Separately isn’t it time Kenya considered purchasing a multi-role fighter jet?
    Can our Tucanos also be used as light attack planes?

  89. am not airforce but i think the hawks are still operational although not in their original numbers. secondly the F – 5 are multirole fighters in fact the F-5 A/B was intended for a light fighter/ground attack role.but i think Jasiri is better informed in this issue.tupe majibu bwana.

  90. Olekoima, the Tucanos can indeed be used as light agressors. they have four hard points under their wings. Judging by the look of the air frame however i can safelly say they can’t take 1 ton of ordnance in a single sortie. They are well suited for COIN(COunter INsurgency) ops due to them being propeller driven.
    “D”, F-5 A/B are indeed ground attack fighters with limited air-air capability. The only difference between the two is that the B version has pilots sitting in tandem(one behind the other) while the A version is a single seat fighter. subsequent variants have been made as all rounders i.e air-ground, air-air unlike their previous counterparts who were optimized for ground attack. In the modern sense however, i would agree with Olekoima that Kenya needs a true multi role air craft. One with anti-ship, ground attack, air supperiority and the ability to act as a mini AWACS. That would be a huge plus for our fly boys. Did you know that most modern aicraft have the ability to pass targets between 9 others? in addition to that, the can target a missile launched from another aicraft within the formation.

  91. Olekoima, the Tucanos can indeed be used as light aggressors. they have four hard points under their wings. Judging by the look of the air frame however i can safely say they can’t take 1 ton of ordnance in a single sortie. They are well suited for COIN(COunter INsurgency) ops due to them being propeller driven.
    “D”, F-5 A/B are indeed ground attack fighters with limited air-air capability. The only difference between the two is that the B version has pilots sitting in tandem(one behind the other) while the A version is a single seat fighter. subsequent variants have been made as all rounders i.e air-ground, air-air unlike their previous counterparts who were optimized for ground attack. In the modern sense however, i would agree with Olekoima that Kenya needs a true multi role air craft. One with anti-ship, ground attack, air superiority and the ability to act as a mini AWACS. That would be a huge plus for our fly boys. Did you know that most modern aircraft have the ability to pass targets between 9 others? in addition to that, the can target a missile launched from another aircraft within the formation.

  92. By the way Nairobi Chronicle, where are the pics Risasi sent you?

  93. Jasiri,

    The Nairobi Chronicle does not appear to have published any new articles since September last year. I thing our bogs have getting routed through word press. I wonder if the Nairobi Chronicle is temporarily closed. Someone please confirm.

  94. huyu jama kama atshindwa tutengezeni face book. i notice its a nice place

    • Very good idea, but an even better one why don’t we build the official unofficial website of the Kenya Defence Forces? Have you noticed how the MoD website is devoid of anything interesting? Bora tu you guys don’t soil your commission.

  95. kusema tu ukweli that MoD website iko down IT Dept. in MoD should really spruce it up Jasiri if i could build that website i would ave but my comp skills are are basic. Risasi there is already a Kenya Army group on facebook a bit dormant though.

  96. “D”, i could build one but i would need a lot of info that only you guys can provide(non classified material) That facebook group is indeed dormant, i happen to be a member but i don’t see the value in being one.

  97. WOW! guys, did you know that the K.N.S Jasiri can be equipped with a helipad? here is a picture of it’s sister ship (note: before extension) equipped with a helipad http://img.over-blog.com/299×208/0/18/12/34/photos-2007/fulmar_6-copie-1.jpg . I have always said this ship is long enough to carry a chopper now it’s confirmed. On the downside though, it has no hangar for the chopper.

  98. Talking of the KNS Jasiri, i’ am disappointed it had to be subjected to all unnecessary debate. I have since established that it is not the fishing vessel that we were made to believe by some activists. This ship should be delivered immediately if this has not happened already.

  99. Ma activist wana lipi kama si unafiki? i have little respect for these guys, remember Op Okoa Maisha? ati this activists realised kuna watu wanateseka afta the military moved in! Such hypocrisy is like undressing your mother!

  100. arent they the same people who were rantin n ravin when those SLDF sons of pigs were busy hackin our people?people get killed by threats….they complain…we do our job n eliminate the threat….they complain.we have a good ship in the KNS Jasiri i say lets bring that boat home commision it n send it against those pirate slugheads. even though it doesnt have a hangar am thinking of countless ways that helipad could be a priceless asset.

  101. Yes and they are the same people who always rant when the police engage criminal gangs yet they are quiet when the police get killed. Kwani the police and other disciplined forces are not themselves human beings?
    These activists can easily put a country’s security are risk. I think they should be ignored.

  102. Are the WZ-9s meant to supplement or to eventually replace the MD500 defenders?
    I notice from Jane’s that the MD 500 is a highly regarded machine. How does the WZ- 9 fare in comparison ?

  103. the MD 500 design originated from scout and observation choppers. its small fast and maneuverable this however limits it TOW carrying abilities the WZ – 9 is bigger but much less maneuverable and its design originates from a utility chopper the Z – 9. this means their roles are different on the battle field even though they both have Anti Tank Abilities.so to replace i dont think so supplement most likely.although am not sure which is supplementing which in my view the MD 500 is a much better machine.

  104. This Sudanese Military Industry, how is it of any value to the Sudanese armed forces?
    I have always wondered how easily Sudanese forces have been getting beaten by various rebel groups despite the overwhelming support of arms from their military industry.
    Some goons riding on machine gun mounted rusty technical s have been having the better of them. Doesn’t this beat logic?
    Or may be they don’t have access to these arms. Puzzling.

  105. those machine gun mounted technicals can be very effective in an open battle field with little cover. case in point chad vs libya.the sudanese military industries mainly produce copies of small arms they dont have the capacity to produce heavy armour and other sophisticated machinery. a competent force is not just the equipment you have but the training on said equipment, competent leadership, morale and other things.maybe even luck isnt on their side.

  106. Personally i think if Kenya were to opt to replace the mosquito they should strongly consider the Kamov-50. Man! this machine is armed to the teeth! and it’s armour can be compared to a flying apc!!!
    Guys the activists are at it again. ati we used 27b for arms purchases and they are asking what for. hahahaha ati now they say we bought tanks and rifles from the Ukraine when only a year ago they were saying ni za S. Sudan! This guys are crazy. but this only confirms Major’s conspiracy theory, someone somewhere is fueling this story.

  107. i have good hopes with our armies.keep it up and strong airborne.

  108. ‘Ati’ gross miscarriage of justice?. I thought each ministry is allocated its fair share of the budget. Do people expect the DOD to go shopping for food?
    These activists should give us a break. They never cease to criticize.

  109. Actually the figure for 2009, not including stores acquirred through bilateral assistance, training on similar arrangements, spares and other equipment from treatied countries, is closer to Ksh45Billion! But have these fellas tunnel vision, or are they quite illiterate and cannot read, or are they simply charlatan idlers with more smoke than substance? By the very same type of criminal sensationalisation of issues poorly understood by them, in 2007, they brought our country down to its knees, burning and interally bleeding.Stalin would have a good number of these fellas lined up before a wall, and be done with them. The economic news is all around us, in all manner of places, that aptly justify this sort of expenditure in Equipment and Manpower. In any case the expansion of any economy verily hinges on dealing with the commensurate expansiono of both domestic and foreign risks that ensue from perceived financial expansion. Not to mention that government spending all across the globe is the single biggest multiplier to economic expansion. Kenya will not grow unless we are strong, strong enough to enforce the fifty years deterrence over envious and squabbing neighbours. The flip side is that we keep one goat for fear of attracting envious thieving neighbours, or disfiguring our beautiful daughters lest they attract amorous immoral attention. Keep our focus, people!!

  110. Take a civil example of a town like Nakuru into which have been congregating Gikuyu businessmen long established in the Rift Valley prior to the 2007 Debacle. From their massive re-investment into Nakuru town, as they divest from Eldoret, Kericho, etc..the town is bursting at the seems with vibrant economic activities. Along with this, comes the populations that follow such activities, either speculatively or purposefully, dislocated or migrant, into which mix is a sizeable idle, viciously disconnected youthful citizenry that find no resonance with the economic booms taking place around them. But the Government has not added one Agent of security policing into this exploding situation, neither have previous strategies and programs for combating insecurity changed one iota in the interim. Same numbers, same dance! What do you expect will happen in this sort of situation? Any soldier will tell that no situation of adversity is managed without an programmed aggressive reaction to it, and a great part of which depends on the quality and extent of Planning and Planning. So the Armed Forces in Kenya keeps you safe by Planning in all facets and for all facets, and has thus far kept you relatively safe. What a thankless lot kenyans have become!

  111. We are better of with men like Nkarei and the like minded thinkers in charge.When as a country you wield a bigger economy,you should boot a formidable army to march.Unfortunately the phantoms and the crazies are in charge.my view is that given the size of our economy,our army should be twice the size and the equipment should be of undoubtable lethality.Needless to say,billions have been embezzled and squandered by lunatics leaving us settling for third generation equipment that in few years will me modules in the future Kabarnet MUSEUM.We may not be badly off compared to our neighbors but you dont settle for the top of the roof just because your enermy is lodged in the gutters.Aim for the sky and never reach it than aiming for the roof and getting there.

  112. welcome major, where have you been? as usual controversy follows you around hehehehe. anyway i agree with “.i have only one wife ,lucy.” for an economy our size, we should have a far more superior army. However this decision should not only be guided by the size of our economy but by our trade and foreign policies. To have a superior army with a superior economy will automatically translate to an expansionist policy which i’m sure our government doesn’t pursue. However, should we choose to strengthen our economy further, it would mean that we should have access to resources. Resources that in my view are not plentiful in our country. Naturally we would look for them somewhere, probably in the Congo. For that we will need a very strong military and defence industry to influence either the Congolese govt or the rebels. and that’s the tactic all resource hungry giants used. A strong an big military is vital in giving us negotiating or threatening clout while at the same time it’s a very viable economic asset. Directly and indirectly, it provides jobs to the populous and helps secure material vital for economic growth and sustenance. this is why such terms as “protection of sea lanes”, “assistance to our allies” have been coined. More often than not these terms ussually refer to military involvement in one or more aspect of the whole idea of trade with the particular nation. That’s why “co-operation” exercises like the edged mallet are held with precise frequency. Unless we in Kenya are really serious in building a mega economy, a robust military in modern sense will always be stimulating mirage that will never be achieved. If we intend to pursue it, then a strong military does not only serve to achieve the above, but it also helps in liberating us from the leash of “allies” such as the U.S and Britain because then we will be equals or at least we will be able to inflict serious damage in their neo-colonialistic image

  113. Here in Kenya we may not have been endowed with unlimited resources but the core of our strength and character is that we the people are hardworking and know how to hussle.Ive been to various countries in the west and Kenyans constitute the top among africans.This curiosity that has drove millions to seek for greener pastures is the one that has made us the bhiggest economy in this region.Its not the resources though we are very resouceful in character and ingenuity.Our biggest problem i reckon is the biggest trouble make in kenya………………..THE KENYAN GOVERMENT.Present an oppinion!

    • i do happen to agree with you on that. Kenyans’ resilience is unparalleled by any people i’ve met. In spite of all we still maintain a positive outlook to the future. One big letdown however is that we lack courage to make tough decisions. If as a civilian you feel the government is shortchanging you, what have you done? If after 47 years of independence we still find a scapegoat in blaming the govt aren’t we the civilians also part of the whole mess?

  114. Thanks, Jasiri. Deployed out, but back for some R&R. Blog’s getting there, more informative and educational. I see clearly you guys have held your own pretty well. I see all three facets are now engaged, I see the depth of knowledge transverses all three – “Risasi”, “D”, “Olekoima”, “Mikco” of the Paras, “jasiri”, Great stuff – might even adopt this blog to replace that Moribund MoD site that’s proven so difficult to jumpstart, eh? You guys have put perspective into blogs such as these when contributions are informative and factual, and even when conjecture is derived from logically progressed thinking. Your exposition above is spot-on, and I elated you ran point on this coz I reckon it is time we turned this blog into a strategic thinking-blog to mull about just this sort of extrapolated thinking, even if academic. Lets get away from the little bits earlier clogging this blog! What say you’ll? And the more uniforms in this blog the better so as to lessen the attendant risks of disinformation and CI stings. Ama??

  115. what i go away for a few days and this blog just blows up!well done guys this is exactly the kind of thinking a professional blog needs helps keep the hard headed “i dont want to learn but i know it all” ignoramuses out.since ancient egypt it has always been more resources = more power = more enemies.that is why defense budgets are put in percentages not fixed figures Japan has capped this at 1% if their GDP goes up this year that 1 % will not be the same 1% of last year.i also agree that the military should be at least double the size it is now with double the current equipment.i still maintain total faith with our current stores.what is seen on wikipedia is not the whole picture.

  116. “I have one wife” – you are obviously not uniformed, or you would understand explicitly that we don’t express ever such opinions on our Civilian Oversight such as you have done. I dont mean that soldiers havent such opinions, and I dont mean that I disagree with your opinion. Heck, the last guys that did so 28 years ago literally lost their heads, hanged from a tree, man! But this discipline is what keeps us out of your business, keeps us Uniform in the barracks, a sort of a balance of terror – so to speak. And as undesirable to you as it might be, is what sets Kenya apart from our neighbours, and you should be grateful for this. So, you want to kill this blog, drive away the Uniforms, dry out their contributions on these matters of Military and Intelligence nature, then continue to express yourself in this manner. Such a pity it would be, coz you could learn a hell of alot by encouraging the Uniforms to share their specialist knowledge on blogs such as these, you will certainly expand your view. C’mon, buddy, lets not kill the blog, ama?

  117. These guys have gone completely AWOL, and I am now calling them –
    A T / PAIN IN THE ASS / PARTISAN / ABC / KAGENDO / MWISTER / WALTER.
    Fellas, your posts are needed, keep blogging!!

  118. These guys have gone completely AWOL, and I am now calling them out –
    A T / PAIN IN THE ASS / PARTISAN / ABC / KAGENDO / MWISTER / WALTER.
    Fellas, your posts are needed, keep blogging!!

    • Yes, I was AWOL for a while, but I’m back. Academic students have a way of sucking the life out of me when the school year is about to end.
      Meanwhile, let me catch up on the conversation before I throw in my civilian two cents with your lot.

  119. Major Nkarei.
    I think you mis-understood me.I do not wish to sling mud on the terms of your service to the country for i would me left with the biggest portion of the dirt.I do not wish to hurl insults.I have stated or rather implied here or elsewhere that our soldiers have done their job and done it well.I submit that from any credible source i could lay my hands on,our forces have in general secured a good name.What i see when i look around is a nation under siege and somebody better be planning for appropriate response.Look at it this way,the only border that is remotely secure is the one with TZ.From the coast to the north,to the west there are many trouble spots that leaves us wondering the efficiency and the mandate of our forces.This is not guess work ive been there.I must admit that i have read your blogs major and you’ve earned my respect and trust.Do you acknowledge that some events that have happened around us should be iven more urgency and seriousness they deserve?Even the most proffesional armies in the world have gone beyold borders,bridges, beyold birth to protect their citizens.We have not!

    • I do agree with you sir. For example when the M.V Faina was hijacked by “pirates” the government sent out G.S.U personnel. Last ime i had credible info, the rapid response unit in el-wak had all of it’s vehicles breaking down. Two splendid soldiers are killed in Nadapal the government does nothing, Merrille bandits pitch tent 15 kM Iinto Kenya THE GOVERNMENT STILL DOES NOTHING! I get what you are saying, it pains me so much that of late i just don’t want to watch news. The soldiers have done and are doing their best, but the politicians are letting us all down. I pray to God that things will not be the same come 2012.

  120. “I have one wife…” my apologies, buddy. You have heart in the right place, that is for certain. And you make good observations, raising forthright queries that deserve equally forthright answers. I am certain we all shall explore together your queries and try to establish a strategic perspective on them. Pole bana!

  121. Jasiri,
    you have nailed my point and without repeating what you have said,i know in some countries thugs sneaking in and killing security forces would ignite a co-ordinated,robust response that goes beyold any marked boundaries.Lets admit that there should be a protocal that governs how such criminals who attack our secutity posts should be dealt with.And here again i do not fault the army.But who talks for our soldiers?Who mandates them on how far they should go?
    I would like to see more done.We cant be a country that allows thugs from neighbouring states harass us without hitting back hard.

  122. Major Nkarei,
    On a personal note i encountered you first when you firmly defended the purchase of T 72s to a reporter from Nairobi chronicles.I have seen someone on one of these blogs suggest that you are not who you say you are and that pissed me off.I’ve no doubt you are one of the finest the army has to offer based on what ive concurred as your views and matters millitary.Kudos over! I even followed keenly when you hammered one Spartan with real stuff about why U.p.d.f does not count.I believe you when you say youve been deployed in the great lakes for ive seen your name somewhere else confirming what youve said all along.All am saying is that ive no doubt am communicating to a real soldier who knows his stuff.
    Now major,lets admit that no army is perfect but in your own views what is the major setback that ties the hands of our soldiers resulting in so many incidents commited against us without acting?Even Uganda,Rwanda,Ethiopia just to name a few have crossed borders of their neighbours to chase rug tag thugs who harass their people.Over.

    • Covering for Maj. Tom
      “i have only one wife” you are only seeing a fraction of the picture, its allowed to talk like that. Most kenyan operations are classified and wouldn,t be released in the media for security reasons. So you would not know about them. Even some military staff wouldn’t know about them until they hold or act in certain offices in DOD. but believe me retaliations from kenya into other countries do exist more then you can imagine but is not published.

  123. “i have only one wife”

    hey i feel you a lot of rotten stuff is happening in our country its a real shame and just like Jasiri i dont watch the news these days. But i think the military is one of the few bastions of sanity left in the society the least we can do is to uphold the law the best we can. But dont think we just sit back and do nothing when our security is threatened. We unlike our neighboring armies have a different modus operandi 50 years from now when some of our classified actions are put out into the public i hope you and i will still be around maybe you can then get the big picture all you have to do is listen and watch for the signs for example the media might report a high ranking terrorist official blown up by a car bomb deep inside his territory maybe we could blame it on a faulty fuel line or a rival faction or maybe it could be some over ambitious subordinates but no clear answer is ever known. Why spend billions in an all out conflict when a single bullet from a well trained sniper would suffice?Think about it.

  124. Enough with the details, guys – there are good men still deployed. Need-to-know applies. On such matters, “i have one wife” you will just have to keep your faith and trust that our core duty of keeping our borderies safe is discharged daily and at great cost to your brothers in Uniform. Tis why we exist, mate, and are damn good at it too. We remain focussed and motivated. You heard of that funny man that died last week in Mogadishu? Well…

  125. Major “You heard of that funny man that died last week in Mogadishu? Well…” utajiingiza kwa shida with such comments. Kwanza there was this jamaa who was shot by “gunmen” in Kismayo, al shabab stronghold.
    I have always respected our spec ops guys. Remember when those Italian nuns were kidnapped? as condition for their release, the militiamen demanded that several important members of their terror network grabbed by Kenyan security agents be released. That shows the depth of black ops in our security forces and also the accuracy in intell of the Kenyan intelligence agency. By the way the Mossad is described fully as ” The institute for intelligence and special operations” kinda wat “D” is advocating for.

  126. That’s the “funny man”, Jasiri. Black ops is tops, tis what they fear, our adversaries, and never certain how compromised their Intel structures are. Disinformation, Take-outs, Disruptions, etc,, Under every Rock they look. Quick, hard, like a shadow in the dusk. They know we’ve come – signs that tell. And return for some more, if the message isn’t read enough. So they walk gingerly around Kenya, lest the sky falls on them!! Thirty years in groove, guys!

  127. remember in high school the guys who used to sneak every weekend and never got caught but still in class they did real good?the ones you could never fully understand.no matter how much trouble they got in the never squealed but never bragged about it this country is full of black ops talent. the cream of the crop makes it to the forces gets picked up by D company or CDU and others……yes there are other units.need to know like major says.its the inborn Kenyan cunning, ingenuity n toughness am talking bout. when the bad guys get hit they never know what hit em. forget about putting missiles and tanks on parade every year, or tough talkin AK 47 carrying C in Cs we dont need to do that to earn our respect. If anyone tries anything funny some one just need a sniper rifle and a clear line line of sight pack up your gear boys the war is over.they say it aint bragging if you can back it up right?

  128. How is it that one country with ONE tribe, ONE language, ONE religion, ONE monolithic culture, and ONE deadly expansionist national obsession based on it’s essential nomadic wasteful culture, has been at war with itself for 17 years, and HAS defeated all and every efforts to being unity and peace to it? If you consider that the Horn of Africa would never have peace with a strong and united Somalia – without making wholesomely unpalatable large-scale concessions to Somalia, you wouldn’t wonder where Kenya’s Vital National Interests in this conflict lies!! Further factor in that Somalia has the largest known OFF-SHORE Oil reserves anywhere in the world (apart from the Artactic South Pole – which is contested by conflicting economic blocs!) and hence has inherent limitless possibilities of Growth and prosperity, and do you still wonder what these our National Interests are?

    • at one time, Somalia was building Africa’s largest Navy. i can’t explain enough the implications this would have had on our sea borne trade. A united and strong Somalia is definitely Kenya’s worst nightmare. We’d rather deal with with a crazy somali with a suicide vest and an A.K than with a crazy Somali with a fleet of warships, multi squadrons of warplanes and a sea of tanks!

  129. If you can get the strong man to bleed from self-inflcted wounds, you will defeat him no doubts. That is how you fight the stronger better armed person – you weaken him from within himself. As unpalatable is this will sound to alot of you chaps, Kenya’s Vital National Interests are served by the imposion of Somalia, and this despite the ONE Tribe,ONE Language, ONE Religion, ONE culture! Brilliant scoop by any score, from a purely military standpoint, eh?

  130. A powerful united somalia with an organised armed forces being a threat to kenya is not a new possibility.When somalia was one country they claimed our territory and that of ethiopia hoping to build greater somalia leading to kenya and ethiopia signing treaties that guarenteed millitary assistance if somali attacked.I expect that if that were the case now we would deal with them appropriately.Them being powerful would not be bad idea after all since we would always strive too stay one step ahead of them.I guarantee their activities would not go unnoticed .

  131. well well well look whose back mr one man army. i think somalia is light years away from forming a conventional fighting force worthy of our counteraction.their “government” controls only a small part of the capital barely the size of buruburu and this is the help of AU forces and Ethiopia in the 60s this country had the biggest and most formidable army in Africa these guys were having their officers trained abroad while we were still depending on the queen for protection the most fascinating thing to me is that its not a foreign army that did them in there was no invasion they just imploded just like that poof it was gone. we have nothing to fear from somalia apart from the odd suicide bomber if they are crazy enough.in fact if anyone was to form a somalian army for them it would be us. after all those years i would think they would not think of biting the hand that will feed them coz that hand knows where the toothless spots are.

  132. it\s really sad what Ethiopia is going through. Does anyone agree with me that Ethiopia is headed the Somalia way? At least they wont be able to build the Bir dam and we would have a ready supply of beautiful Amharic chics.

    • Haha! Seriously? The beautiful Amharic chics are the first thing you thought of.
      However, with that being said, Ethiopia is a few steps away from chaos. My 9 to 5 forces me to stay connected with the political side of things in Sub-Saharan Africa. All I get these days are propaganda reports from both sides of the divide, and stories on athletics.
      In the west, we hear a lot about Eritrea being in cahoots with the Somali rebels. Where does this country lie in the Eastern Africa dynamics? Friend or foe?

  133. with regards to Somalia from military achieve it was a threat
    to Kenya. somalia army strated out weak composing of 5,000 men but a $32million military grant from Russia changed the tides. The army grew from 5,000 to 23,000 men. Somali actually started as two states somalia and somali land. These states then merge into one and an ambition for a greater somalia composing of all somali speaking tribes in the region, grew. the russian military grant had trained somalia in advance war tactic’s for this region among them proxy war and insurgent operations.

    The Somalia Gov’t mounted insurgent operations into kenya with an aim of partitioning kenya along the somali speacking tribe back to Mogadishu. Our spy chief then James Kanyotu’s realized this and Brief the Head of State, who called for a cabinet meeting. The out come was that the young Kenyan state was to take the war back into Mogadishu. A British military expatriate Lt. Col R.S. Richmond was given the task and was confident that he could excute it. James Kanyotu’s had a second plan which was in two phase
    1. Internal phase: Psychological Operations by the VoK to calm down the country by baptise the Somaili insugents as SHIFTA’S i.e local tribes fighting for pastoral area.
    2. External phase: if he was given TIME he could deal with Somalia covertedly at higher levels.

  134. Time was expensive with regards to the havoc that the insurgents were doing to our military and civilians in the north. A plan had to be devised to create time. Somali was offered a bait “lets discus peace” and she swallowed it hook, bait plus the sinker. Under the table Somalias aim was a window for regrouping and re-train the insurgents for Deep penetration into the Kenyan capital Nairobi. This would force the Gov’t to grant the north frontier a self autonomy.

    The peace deal was signed ,Kanyotu got his chance and started excuting his plan. Somali on it side strated its regrouping retraining strategy’s. Kenyatta did his part and told the west “sell us modern equipments or else we will go and procure them else where” The west blinked and offered the F-5 and Hughes program among many. a program they were relactant to release. Guys like captain Nandi among others were taken for a crush F-5 program’s.
    by the time Somali realized what was going on it was to late Kenya had re armed it self.
    a reminder declaration was issue to Somalia Gov’t a break in the peace agreement will lead to preemptive strikes with a united nation mandate.

    Back then if a war broke out it was a 50% 50% chances of winning but it favor leaning toward the Mogadishu Gov’t. the airforce had Strikemaster and Hawker hunters against Mig17 and Mig21. the Migs had proved them self in the Korean wars. Somalia had well trained men.

    Although the country lagged in experience and equipments Good brains saved the day.

  135. Exactly, Risasi. The Somali Crisis that have defied all logic can only be understood if one looks at them from their effect on our Vital National Interests – then and now. Let’s chat of this situation as a typical Counter-Insurgency Operation, and barrow into our unique experience with the SHIFTA. Greatest Challenge in the earlier war was sorting out the sheep from the Goats – One people, one language, one monolithic culture, one religion, etcc.. Kenya won really by default the first round, for a variety of reasons not least of which are those skilful manouvriing by Kanyottu and others in Kenya at the timem, but the tide turned when the beast began to bleed itself, and led to a closure of open direct hostilities then – the Clans turned against each other in a senseless orgy of violence the source of which had nothing to do with their previous history. Then came the Said Barre’s scare of the early eighties when Somalia expressed by deed and intentions it’s age-old expansionism, firstly in the Ogaden against Ethiopia, and later by a Kenya-specific threatening military posturing & deployments combined with Communist defense connections in a country whose history and culture run counter to all tenets and philosophy of Marxism!! How did we face this new and very real threat to our Sovereignty? We could have resulted to an Open Arms Race and and Expansion of Men in Uniforms, we had the stronger economy, better educated Population and with better international connections. But a clearly war-untested population, plus developmental priorities not uniquely set by ourselves demanded a more cost-effective and more-subtle approach & prosecution of our response. So out came the old Counter-Insurgency ploys to slay the beast by his own hand, (same demography in Northern Kenya as in Somalia ) and we have been at it since, fellas!! An endless chain of event that feeds upon itself, the strategic objective to ensuring that state-organized hostilities against the Kenya Territory will never happen. We can deal very ably with the opportunistic gang-incursions into our territory resultant. A generation or so later, the Geopolitical realities are altering dramatically different considering the on-going virtual intergrationof the Somali people in Kenya presently. Then, the Somali Mess will vanish as if it never was,

    • The last line caught my eye: “integration of Somali people in Kenya.”
      Around civilian circles out here, I have heard this being brought up as a severe concern. Some Kenyans feel like we are trying to tame a crocodile by integrating them. There are fears of rebels being able to strike in the heart of the country with support from community networks in the capital and funding from proceeds of piracy (suspected of being laundered in the Kenyan economy).
      These fears could be a product of stereotypes and perceptions cultivated over the years by all the happenings. But from a military standpoint, what are we risking by integrating our neighbours?

  136. I am going in, fellas. Keep the blog alive. Catch you’all In a couple weeks then,

  137. Speaking of Vital National Interests. Picture this today Kenya declares it has struck economically viable oil deposits in the North Eastern Province following this Ethioppia starts drilling to its south and gets luckywe already know that Ug has Oil same as Southern Sudan. what would be the consequences especially in the sphere of military balance in the region?would Eastern Africa be a more secure place ama aje?

    • i think Ug and South Sudan’s successes in Oil mining only serves to make them more dependent upon Kenya. When you really think about it, Uganda can do nothing coz when we close their pipes, no Oil will flow to the world through Msa. Same goes for S. Sudan. The most sensible thing for them to do is to sign a mutual defence treaty with Kenya so that in case the rabid Ethiopians try something Makmendeish we can collectively beat their asses to Sheba’s heydays all in the name of protecting our Oil pipelines. I kinda like this scenario.

  138. Recently i accessed some information about the past conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea and i was shocked at how ethiopians were massacred.How could they fail to subdue the eritreans given their numerical and millitary strength.Are they overestimated by any analysis?

    • one man army, u sure surprise me. you are a soldier yet you can’t understand this? an army is only as potent as the tactics it uses. Ethiopian army is weak in tactics an logistics. the Eritrean army of the time was small but highly mobile and that’s where they pinned the Ethiopians. No matte how large or strong an army appears on paper it doesn’t automatically mean it will win every war hands down. case in point, arab-israeli war of the 60’s and 70’s That’s food for thought for the Kenya armed forces.

  139. it actually depends on which conflict you are refering to ethiopia and eritrea have had 2 major clashes the first being the eritrean war of indipendence (1961 – 1991) the second being the eritrea – ethiopia 1998 – 2000. In both conflicts the ethiopians were given an absolute walloping although the second war is recorded as an ethiopian military victory dont think any of the officers who served in that war will be bragging much because of the losses their incurred to an army less equipped in terms of manpower and firepower. it is a puzzle really how they fared so badly when all the advantages that are usually there for small armies were distincly unavailable for eritrea especially lack of cover for guerrilla warfare both sides kept on entrenching themselves like it was world war 1 and the ethiopians like the suckers they are became impatient and decided to go for the human wave attack. needless to say they got slaughtered. its only that they had more men in their ranks if the numbers were a bit more balanced ethiopia would have been thoroughly humiliated.

  140. Jasiri
    Its not that i don’t put into consideration factors like logistics,tactics,discipline,mobility and the purpose of the mission but i was exploring other factors that could have gone wrong for ethiopians since i dont believe they fought a war without preparing for it.I tend to believe something drastic happened here.

    • i think it is largely because the Ethiopians underrated the Eritreans. and they were rudely jolted back to reality!

  141. To add on the above eritrea – ethiopia 1998 – 2000:

    The Ethiopian airforce (which should have tilled the balance of power) was operating as a branch of the army. It was as good as an air artillery unit. It offered support to the army and never propagate towards the core airmen business which should have crippled the Eritrean .i.e. their sorties were to bomb and to pave way for the army to move.

    Due to the fact that the Eritrean offices were once part of the Ethiopia military, they knew what to and not to expect from there foes. they all had undergone the same training and knew all small details that any army would like to know about its opponents. They had very good “intelligence” of their advisories. Field frequency, code names, equipment ranges, FOB components etc Unlike the other way round for the Ethiopians towards the newly formed Eritrean armed forces. Intelligence is like 60% win in war.

    The Ethiopia army is large but only in its barracks. here the soldiers are taken care for and feed by their wives and salaries . Some how their field logistic failed. Ethiopia couldn’t constantly rearm and feed their men in the fields. only the will supported units became effective.

  142. Risasi. how do you gauge airborne and air cavalry units in the region in terms of doing their core functions like cutting off enemy supply lines, disruption of communications, rapid deployment and rapid extraction tactics, behind enemy lines combat and the such likes.in your opinion barring all classified material of course who are the best and who are the worst amongst all the conventional armed forces?Rhetorical question i know, let me put it this way who is number 2 and who follows after that there is very little info on this field out there.

  143. with all YY,s operating we are 3rd if not 2nd largest gunship air Calvary in Africa after Egypt. Well trained and have +25yres expiries in that art These choppers can do a fairly good job in counter attacking , tank killing, ambushes by hid in trees tops and if the wind is towards then you will hardly hear them. We learnt to use them to there optimum. they operate wire guided missile which are very accurate. Our neighbors operate the Mi24 “flying crocodiles” a good gunship comparing with what it can carry i.e 8 troop with ordinance but has short comings. the sitting arrangement of the gun observer and the pilot are in tandem this limits the view of the pilot who sits behind the gun observer. solutions is to hunt in packs and look out for each other. This is not possible for Ug as they x4 Mi24.Its weight limits its maneuverability and forcing it can lead in a chopping off of the tail with its main rotor. I know of a kenya pilot who evaded an Rpg round with a MD500, it will be a hard maneuver for the Mi24.

  144. When it comes to airforces it is a tricky subject. We know Ethiopians for using mercenaries to fly their jets. this therefore increase man hours and experiences in there airforce. Therefore facing a well trained Ex-Soviet pilot in an Su27 needs a lot of resilience and combine efforts. Mu7 too seems to be following the same suite for his airforce. Ug has sourced for Belarusian/Russian pilots for their MiGs
    classified ops can be discuss at some length its not a bad idea.
    all armed forces believe on themselves and feel convinced that they can out do their opponents. in this region I would say Kenya then Sudan in airforce and military as a whole subject.

  145. The procurement of MD500 by Kenya government was a response to the flooding of soviet era tanks in this region.MD 500 is a lethal machine,as lethal as any big gunship that our opponents have but even more important is that its more maneouverable and cost less.It was designed as a tank killer for nations who didnt see the need for a large gunship but needed equal lethality at a reasonable price.The kenya tank killing ability therefore is unmatched given the gunships and experience our forces can boost.

  146. Risasi,
    Now that our gunship fleet is ageing what options does the Kanya Army have? I presume the Z-9’s are not replacements for the Mosquitoes coz in my limited knowledge of gunships, the don’t fulfill similar missions. Might the ACB possibly request for mordenised version of the cobra? The Viper? I like this machine because it is almost similar to the MD500 in behaviour with a much more serious punch.

  147. Ageing kivipi jasiri air frame ama ? They were purchased back then but the equipment is not redundant. MD500 was used in the 1st and 2nd gulf wars and also when the Americans came for the Somalia,s in the 90’s. The type of war that was done in the gulf war i.e gunships paving the way for tanks and IFV in open countries has been in exercise with Kenya for the last 20 yre. our military exercise on such a tactic against rapid inflow of tanks attack.

    The only equipments that we didn’t have were IFV and they have been procured. I believe we are up in standard.

  148. http://breakingnews.newscred.com/articles/072a375bbb2a4a5a09507c51d3c4c119/jdw-21-jan-2010-kenya-confirms-receipt-of-chinese-attack-helicopters

    I don,t think your familiar with the Z-9 when you ask if it’s a replacement of the MD500. Firstly it’s called the Z-9WA. The “WA” stands for the highest breed of the Z-9. Amour protected cockpit, data linked, Mast mounted sight/radar, all weather ,day and night attacking gunship.


  149. it carries
    HJ-8A ATGMs that can penetration almost 1meter thick amour skin. you will see them in action when china decide to take back Taiwan.
    Maybe Z-10 will join in the future

  150. an article on the Z-9WA compared to Z-9’s its only Kenya and china that operate the “WA” models. what we have http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/z9w.asp

  151. Thanks Risasi for the information.
    From the order of battle in Wikipedia, i only see 5 MD 500s. What happened to the rest? I thought they are supposed to be 35 in number.

    • wiki is not reliable site, it can be edited by anybody from anywhere. I fact I differ with what it says on Tz arsenals. Check them out on more credible sites.

  152. i still don’t think it wise to replace the MD-500 with these. they seem less agile and the army has always moved in on agility.

  153. Jasiri is spot on the MD500 should not be replaced. i think they are up for a mid life upgrade coz the airframe is still valid.the Z – 9 is a utility chopper the z – 9wa or WZ- 9 is the attack version of it. this chopper is a medium built workhorse of the skyies. i think the best way to deploy them is as a rapid deployment and rapid extraction air cav vehicle where the WZ – 9 comes in neutralizes any threats on the LZ and conducts reccon before the z – 9 lands troops on the area. this is ideal for dropping squal sized elements behind enemy lines for in and out missions. the Z – 9 can also act as frontline ressuply vehicle/ambulance sort of the way the US deployed the UH 60 in Nam. its agility or lack of thereof makes it unsuitable for frontline anti armour ops.the most impressiver thing bout it is that it can fire air – air missiles. my buddy on the 50th is yet to convey the specs of this missile and i still doubt we have it YET but ill do some snooping around and tell you what i can find out about this missile because i think it is a major threat against those Mil – 8 Hip choppers that seem to be the standard in the region.

  154. jasiri and “D”
    they are called DAP (Direct Air Penetrator) helicopters. search for the term in the internet you will get the concept. The Z-9 and the Z-9WA squadrons will be used just like the way the US military uses the UH-60 Black Hawk and its gunship version MH-60L. for such Ops you need aircrafts that can move at the same speed and range without straining each other by either trying to keepup in pace or slow down to wait for their teammates. The Z-9’s have high speed and ranges then the MD500.
    the MH-60L and the Z-9WA have similar purpose ,roles and missions in the battlefield. This is a new tactic in progress. Do you get the picture?

    • Are the WZ-9 choppers a Chinese version of the As Cougar-french built. Also, that sight on the roof maybe a milimetric wave radar, like the Longbow on the Apache.The Md 530 defenders need to be replaced, although the TOW missiles are formidable.

  155. the MD500 will still be operating its scout, recce and armor killing roles.

  156. Perhaps in response to Kenyan acquisition of 35 APCs from China in 2007, Tanzania acquired 91 ACVs from South Africa in 2008. These were 85RG32M (scout ) and 6RG31. This is according to the United Nations register of conventional arms.
    As can be seen no one is taking chances with security matters.Add these to the 6 MiG 29s and you will understand that there is indeed an arms race of some sort in this region.

  157. risasi, the tactic of using the DAP is not new,the proper term is FIREFORCE,orient yourself with the operations of the Rhodesian Light Infantry in the 2nd Chimurenga war,this they accomplished using obsolete alouetteIIIs and they were very effective,same goes for the ops of 32 battalion of the old SADF in SWAfrica and Angola, the real originators of this tactic were the Portuguese and their Flechas before they gave up Angola. So you can be sure the Kenya army has had a long time to learn study and perfect the art of the FIREFORCE.

  158. with the employment of this DAP or FIREFORCE technique i guess thiss effectivelly means that either Kenya is changing in response to new conflict scenarios or Kenya is changing the conflict scenario to suit it.

    • The later, Jasiri. Responding to changing scenarios, and updating our aggressor responses appropriately. Still work in progress, but we will get it right pretty soon. All assets in place, training, indoctrination, coordination, acceptance, etc. Looks great thus far.

  159. The UN is winding down operations in DR Congo, although the SG recommends another year of presence there. Canada is in fact mulling over the idea of deployment, but they want a clear mandate first.

    Plus, they just discovered more oil over there. I’ve heard reports that Africa as surpassed the Middle East as the single biggest source of crude to the US.

    What happens to Congo post the UN presence? Should we expect the chaos to escalate into possible anarchy? Does the presence of the blue berets even have an impact on the situation there, or will it be business as usual?

  160. as long as there are riches in the DR Congo and the world remains greedy there is always going to be anarchy. however i see a change towards low intensity conflicts rather that the all out pitched battles of before.the Congo Govt is getting stronger their army is still a bit rag tag but i think that is due to the large area they have to cover.remember this is a country without an effective police force to maintain law and order, there is virtually no intelligence network and the neighbours arent exactly helping the situation. a logistically sound force with strong clear mandate can do a better job that the UN.its a shame so much wealth yet the people are living in such horrid conditions.

    • It’s too bad Canada turned down the request (although their tour in Afghanistan ends next year).
      Canada used to be at the forefront of peacekeeping – I wonder what happened.

  161. The job that i missed

  162. hey all …. im looking for a bit of insight on the central african region . first what if any are Kagames intentions with the kivus or the congo as a whole ? he seems to be coming into his own as an african strong man . with the guilt the international community seems to have from the genocide theres barely any criticism as far anything he has done since the genocide . for the military guys …. that region seems to be a theatre of operations for kenya’s special ops , is there a threat base here or is it just for intelligence ???? part of that questing coming from kagames hold over congo politics , his history with museveni and his ambitions for the whole region east and central africa .

  163. The greatest threat to our eventual emancipation as a Nation is the continued drama in the Congo – of Corporate Rape of African couched in Ideology, which the West has used in Africa for fifty years. This is nowhere in our region exemplified as it is in the Great Lakes and Sudan, and hence our covert involvement in these two countries. Kenya needs to break the Great Lakes and East African from this syndrome, and engender an acceptance in which we shall see our African Survival as being dependant on intra-trade relations amongst ourselves, and adding value to our export to these same westerners. Kenya sees peace in this region as a primary ingredient to this resolution, and as long as Kagame is under the obligation of these Fellas it will be impossible to generate a critical mass to change this old matrix. So Kenya seeks to influence local situation in both Countries, by both benign persuasion and by means involving extreme prejudice that alter an local equation with terminal consequences and which then leads to either new beginnings or fresh positive faces. It is our own form of “ forward-defense” , and will eventually result in a critical mass gravitating around Kenya as to give impetus to break free – very much like the Chinese did in the early sixties with Mao. A bit Machiavelli, I expect you will say.

  164. With the entry of Rwanda-Urundi into the EAC, Kagame sees an insulation for his murderous Tutsi Regime from deserved retribution in the changed demographies resultant, so that the history and problems of his Tutsi / Huti / Congo people will become inconsequential in the challenges and opportunities that will develop from entry into the EAC. And he will have succeeded in redefining once more the ruling class in Rwanda/Burundi/Eastern Congo after thrusting his Tutsi into the Fore by the violence of the Genocide!! Valid and already taking effect. What he also recognizes is that he will gradually loose relevance, and fade into the peripherals of leadership in East Africa as a dinosaurs whose time long expired. And so does Museveni, who was simply consequent to the Kagame exploits over the decade. Little price to pay.

  165. Joseph Kabila aka “Hyppolite Kanambe” was installed ostensibly by M7 and Kagame under the poor pretext that he is the son of Laurent Kabila. In actual fact, Joseph Kabila is the nephew of the until-last week Chief of Staff of Rwandan Army, Mr. James Kabarebe, now the Defense Minister of Rwanda! So that, with the help of his corporate sponsors, PK is in effect the Commander-in-chief of DRC Army and King of the entire region into which Belgium colonial interest dispersed the Banyarwanda. His activities in this region however at the behest of these Western Corporate/Military Interests have resulted a conservative figure of 5.5 million innocent dead africans – excluding the tally from his latest jaunt into Congo of 2009 !! And not from communicable diseases, AIDs, hunger, crime, etc..!! Such is what holds back our emancipation, guys such as these who dehumanise their own people while they are glorified by their Western masters and deified by the gullible masses enslaved by the disinformation and propaganda churned out by the same people.

  166. well well i personally love the soldiers and the work you do to our country.YOU ARE JUST THE BOMB AND KUDOS TO THAT.

  167. hey guys been following your blog for a while and so far im getting a potrait of a united kenyan military. id just like tou guys to clarify some rumors for me about what happened within the army during the 2007 political crisis
    1. some officers were not pleased with the election results and prevented the c in c from attending the swearing in ceremony.
    2. the military was impartial but they did kill civilians in nakuru around free area and they have never been found thats why there were no cases of violence in the areas between nax and naivasha.

    • Bella, that is a croak of BS….. . Just for forms sake, let me educate you that there was not one single confrontation / incident involving the Military anywhere in Kenya during the PEV. And you bloody well know it. And it is not that the areas we deployed our chaps were without tension, friction or the risks of collapse of civil order. Hell, you must remember how Nakuru, Lanet, Emparuku, Gilgil , Naivasha, and Mai Mahiu seethed like a busaa-drum prior to our Deployment!! I was there, Bella!! Furthermore you are not asking queries to invite discussion – no no, you are stating an “incontrovertible fact” in the manner typical of an ill-informed noisy activist, the sort that nearly drove this country to the dogs with their jabbering in 2005-7. Shouting your half-truths from the roof tops to your paid media predominantly manned by idling Caucasian journalists perpetually seeking the worst in the African. I doubt anyone on this blog has time to dwell on idle gossip and political rumor-mongering. Here, even posts that may be based on speculation / conjecture are well thought-out and presented – they invite discussion and are just as equally responded to educate. You want to bash the Uniforms, as is the wont of busy-body so-called ‘human right activist’, you go ahead, but please don’t invite me. Do you get the feeling, reading through this blog, that what the alleged dastardly behavior you paint here typifies your average uniformed person in Kenya’s Military? C’mon, give us a break, Bella!!

  168. Let’s talk water security. Egypt and Sudan have refused to re-negotiate the Nile water treaties. The rest of Eastern Africa is going ahead with a unilateral framework.

    What does this mean in terms of regional security?

    Some Ugandan military brass let it slip the other day that, the Russian jets they bought are a sort of deterrence measure from a possible fall-out from this Nile water disagreement.

    I don’t see the dispute going military any time soon, however, Egyptian legislators have made it clear that the Nile is a national security issue they are willing to ‘defend’ (whatever that means).

    What’s Kenya’s position?

  169. The only plausible solution for Egypt is to negotiate and make the countries upstream to see her point of argument and the precarious nature of her dependence on the Nile waters.
    Populations are increasing which need to be fed.Equitable sharing of the Nile resources without endangering Egypt’s survival is the way forward and i think this is what the Nile basin countries are saying. Egypt’s continued reluctance to negotiate is actually the real bottleneck here. They have historically had the lion share of the resource to themselves as a result of a flawed colonial era treaty. In this era of population explosion, this state of affairs cannot continue and we all need to agree on the way forward(Egypt included). Any chest thumping on account of perceived military superiority will become a cropper with untold consequences to the Egyptian public. How does Egypt hope to win a military confrontation against 9 Nile basin countries with a combined population of more than 270 million people?
    While i’ am cognizant of the fact that Egypt has one of the largest, well trained, well equipped and most powerful military force in Africa, i nevertheless don’t believe this force will be adequate to bully the entire Nile basin region into submission.
    Mwistar,Kenya’s position is in line with the other Nile basin countries and has been stated as such. We expect that the country will soon append her signature alongside those of Uganda, Tanzania,Rwanda and Ethiopia while similarly expecting Burundi,DRC and much later S.Sudan to do so.

  170. Egypt receives yearly, as part of their Camp David inducement to sign a Peace Treaty with Israel ( the first Arab Nation to do), a princely USD1Billlion in Military Aid and probably an equal amount in Direct Budgetary Support from the USA. ERGO, they are a client/servant state serving US interests in Africa and the Arab Countries. Their Arab affairs Foreign policy has been at most utterly ambivalent and verging on a betrayal of Arab / African interests. Over the last thirty years, the Americans have weaned Egypt away from Africa with deliberate and concerted machinations that falsely create in the Egyptian psyche European pretensions to the extent that they consider themselves more European than African. And what has the West gained from this ludicrous pantomime in terms of African egress? Well, Egypt has been the staging ground for European Industries that produce quotas and fill them up with European-produced goods, which Egypt then sells to gullible Africans as goods manufactured in Egypt. In essence, therefore, Egypt continues the European Rape of African by proxy, but this time without guilt since Egypt does not consider itself African. Egypt buys our tea at preferential prices, and repackages it and sells it to Europe at astronomically obscene profit. Conversely, Egypt exports Belgium Beet-root sugar into Africa without hindrance claiming to be a net producer of sugar which we all know is blatantly false. That is the general tread of trade. In exchange, the West keeps all dissent down in Egypt, and a stalinistic leadership that now seeks to perpetuate itself to Mubarak’s son without a whimper from the West. Of course democracy in Egypt has never been a Western Agenda, neither has the brutally despotic and repressive autocracy of Mubarak ever mentioned both in western governments and their media. But there lies Egypt’s main weakness, and the reason that she has not used her reputed military might substantively since her rout by Israel in the Yom Kippur war of 1973 – apart from the fractious exchange with Libya in the Eighties in which her nose was well bloodied. It is that to fight a modern was, you must first capture the National Conscience of your people who will bear the blunt in war-dead and in financing the war. Autocracies cannot win any wars, in truth wars weaken their hold on their people by denting their cloak of invincibility and fracturing their monopoly to violence through which they rule. That Egypt appears reluctant to negotiate a new Nile Waters Treaty fools not, it is simply that Egypt had no position to take, no proposal to make, no game-plan, no fall-back point. Her autocracy are caught between the proverbial rock and stone – an inability to hold their power if any change in the status quo should upset the social balance they have maintained, and the clear understanding the enforcing their “rights” by military means will almost certainly be the end of their autocracy(if not definite military humiliation. Their only fallback point was hope that their western handlers would use their economic and financial might to bully the rest of the Nile state to rest-the-status-quo-be – which they have tried but failed in the face of the buoyant and extensive Chinese egress into African with it’s attendant changes of the political-economic dynamics. So I think Egypt will take whatever the rest of us give them, basing of course on what Olekoima justifiable says is equity that takes into consideration of the interests of all including the Egyptians. Sorry for being so long in-the-tooth!

  171. Thanks for the comments guys.
    I intended to follow up with a question addressing why the EU and to some extent, North American govts support the current Nile treaties (albeit cautiously). However, both your answers give me enough direction to dig for further insights.

    On a different note, I came across a few media reports suggesting that Hizbul Islam in Somalia has split – thanks to one faction signing an agreement with Kenya and the Transitional Govt there.
    As a novice in theatres of war, I automatically assume that a fractured enemy is weaker and therefore (somewhat) easier to defeat. However, does this new development in any way strengthen al Shabaab’s position? Or, is that rebel group’s position unchanged, or even weakened by Hizbul splitting?

  172. What now for Egypt. Kenya has become the latest country to sign the CFA on the Nile waters with Burundi and DRC expected to follow suit shortly. Will the Egyptians then order a military strike? They have threatened this action before,but is it workable? I highly doubt. Egypt is really operating from a point of weakness right now. However it is not too late for them to swallow their pride and perceived superiority complex and hit the negotiation table right away.What do others say?

    • DRC was supposed to sign the treaty today (20th).

      Egypt has been lobbying EU fiercely, especially Italy – which is supposed to be building a series of hydro-elec dams in Ethiopia.

      I’ve also read statements by Egyptian parliamentarians who continue to argue that the new treaty is not legally binding. But, I don’t see how they can enforce anything, even if they win a verdict in international courts.

      In the end, Egypt is really at the mercy of the upstream countries. Although Sudan has supported Egypt’s position, they have too many domestic issues to worry about. Plus, it doesn’t help that Eritrea recently voiced support for Egypt (more than likely to irk Addis). Who really wants Eritrea supporting their cause?

  173. Yes, it is one thing to lobby for international support, but completely a different thing to selfishly enforce the same on other countries especially those grappling with pangs of hunger as a result of climate change.Indeed the international community must also listen to the concerns of these other countries. It is unfair for Egypt and Sudan to be allocated virtually all the water at the expense of our starving citizens.
    If Egypt is not on board on this treaty, then the other countries( except Arab Sudan and perhaps Eritrea) will ignore all else and move on. The era of dictating to others and even threatening military action is long gone.

  174. I am an avid military buff – lived near MAB and by age 13 could tell all the different sounds of our warbirds and even the dark visiting ones such as the C-130 Hercules,etc! – and am vry happy about to read what our men in uniform are doing to ensure the country is safe.
    I have been following this site for quite sometime and find it very informative – exactly what I have been looking for all along to supplement my collections of Jane’s Defense, defense mags and other military info sources.
    But I still share Olekoima’s unease that our neighbours have 4th gen fighters ( Tz Mig-29 Fulcrums and that our restive eastern neighbour will be getting some advanced Sukhois, Sudan,Ethiopia have advanced fighters too), despite the assurances here that the F-5s will be sufficient defense for us. I still very strongly feel we have little option but to hit the 4th gen highway…what we can argue about is the time-frame, say a 3-5-yr modernization plan and a good defense allocation in our budget would do the trick. But go that way we must, I feel, to match the awesome firepower around us. Because deterrence is a good military strategy too, and costs much cheaper, both in financial and time factor costs (affords the country time to build up a well-equipped and technologically force).

    On a different topic I was shocked to see on Al Jazeera that Myanmar – a dirt poor country – was seeking to join the nuke club!
    Okay okay, so I understand nukes are the ultimate insurance against military hostilities being visited on you (Israel is a moot point), but a country like Myanmar?! Now that was a bombshell of nuclear proportions, pun intended!
    But is also raises a very impt question: how many such countries – sneaky signatories or not to NPT-harbour and actually have active nuke programs on-going? Even U.S or any other intell outfit didn’t pick it up and in fact one key US officials was enroute to Myanmar when the bombshell was dropped!
    A growing nuke club is bad is really bad bad news for the world because it actually increases the possibility of deployment of nukes in any hostilities

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LF05Ae01.html

    Another thing – while the war drills in our defense schools would show kenya triumphant in a hypothetical war scenario with some of our neighbours, one can’t help but wonder, don’t the war scenarios in THEIR defense schools similarly show the same verdict, that they would be in Nbi within days, if not hours!?
    Who’s following who – are we fooling outselves or are they fooling themselves?! Or are we all fooling ourselves?! Just a thought.

  175. [b]TANZANIA[/b]

    BM-21 9K51 GRAD (Multiple rocket launcher) 48
    BRDM-2 (Reconnaissance Vehicle) 40
    BTR-152 (Wheeled armoured personnel carrier) 66
    FV101 Scorpion (Reconnaissance Vehicle) 40
    Mk 1 (Main battle tank) 10
    Type 59 (Main battle tank) 45
    Type 62/WZ132 (Light tank) 30
    YW 531 – Type 63 (Tracked armoured personnel carrier) 30
    [b]Towed field artillery guns-285[/b]
    82 and 120 mm mortars-150

    [b]KENYA[/b]
    UR-416 M (Wheeled armoured personnel carrier) 52
    BTR-60 (Wheeled armoured personnel carrier) 3
    M3 (Wheeled armoured personnel carrier) 10
    SARACEN (Infantry fighting vehicle/APC) 5
    *30 Chinese-built WZ 551 APCs delivered in 2007

    AML 60/90 (Reconnaissance Vehicle/AFV) 72
    Ferret Mk 1/1 (Reconnaissance Vehicle/AFV) 12
    SALADIN (Reconnaissance Vehicle/AFV) 3
    Shorland S52 (Reconnaissance Vehicle/AFV) 8
    BMD (Reconnaissance Vehicle/AFV) 85

    Vickers Mk 3 (Main battle tank) 78

    105MM ARTILLERY-
    L5 Pack howitzer- 48
    RO L118 Light Gun -40

    [b]UGANDA[/b]

    BMP-2 (Infantry fighting vehicle) 31
    BTR-40 (Wheeled armoured personnel carrier/APC) 20
    Casspir (Wheeled armoured personnel carrier/APC) 70
    OT-64 (Wheeled armoured personnel carrier/APC) 4

    76MM ARTILLERY- M-1942 towed gun 60
    122MM ARTILLERY- M-1938 towed gun 20
    130 MM ARTILLERY- M-46 towed gun 12
    155MM ARTILLERY- SOLTAM M-114 (Towed howitzer) 20

    PT-76 (Light tank) 20
    T-54/55 (Main battle tank) 100

    [b]RWANDA[/b]

    T-54/55 -12
    Armoured fighting vehicles-110
    Armored troop carriers- 50
    122 mm MLRS- 5
    105mm, 122 mm and 130mm towed artillery- 41
    81 and 120 mm mortars – 250
    Sub-machine guns and antiaircraft guns- 150
    (14.5, 23 and 37 mm)

  176. READ my offering about African Armed Forces here.

    VISIT my own blog too, guys.

    http://www.beegeagle.wordpress.com

    BTW, I am a Nigerian who is highly interested in Defence and Strategic Studies. LIVELY animated discussion going on here. LOVING it…so many insightful guys.

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  177. BEEG EAGLE,

    Thank you for your posts.
    However, what you have shown in your post above as the entire arsenal for Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania and even Rwanda is incomplete. At best this is old stuff of early 1990s. There is a lot more to these. For instance, Uganda also possess T-62s same as Tanzania while Kenya has T-72s as well.
    Besides you have not shown any thing for the airforce and Navy.

    • wachana naye

    • Trust me, those details emanate from having kept a KEEN eye on trusted websites such as “JANE’S”, SIPRI, IISS and of course, the UN Register of Conventional Arms Transfers.

      Believe me, everything points to the fact that all the CHINESE origin which have been imported by Kenya decidely belong to the Kenya Armed Forces. These include the Z9-WA and the WMZ-551APCs. The Serbian-made NORA 155mm SP arty also belong to Kenya for sure.

      However, it appears (based on my web searches) that ALL of the Soviet-derived weapons systems such as the BM-21MRLS, the 203mm SP Arty, the T72s and the BMP-series IFVs belong to the Government of South Sudan.

      For emphasis, that is the precise reason why the Khartoum government has since March 2010 been taking delivery of a consignment of 100 T72M tanks. In like manner, South Sudan placed orders for the Pion SP arty as its best response to the Khartoum regime acquisition of WS-2 rocket artillery systems.

  178. ive been AWOL from this blog for too long, i didnt know there was this much action on this side too. nice to see a lady who appreciates all our blood sweat and tears. thanks for that Vincy. Beeg Eagle your post falls a little short especially on the Kenyan side of things. This is more like it:

    Kenya Army Organization structure: 2 armored brigades, 4 infantry brigade, 1 ranger battalion, 1 engineer brigade i armored recce bttln, 3 arttie bttlns, 1 air cav bttln, 3 engineer bttlns, 4 infantry bttlns, 1 para bttln,

    Armour 110 T-72, 76 Vickers MK 3 Panhard AML 72 No Light Armored vehicle, Ferret Scout car, BRM, BTR 60, WZ 551, UR 416 APCs. Assorted Heavy lift and logistics vehicles, BM 21 Grad, S27 Pion Nora B -52 SP Arttie, L118 Gun, Mod 56 arttie, Milan, Swingfire AT Missiles. Carl Gustav reccoiles Rifle.

    In addition Kenya maintains 20,000+ AP Paramilitary force and 10,000+ GSU Paramilitary. You have most of the numbers right on WZ 551s APCs are still being delivered so the final number is still yet to be determined, you will probably not hear this anywhere else but there are also a number of Hrisantema tank killers in store.
    This is just the army side, the airforce has been undergoing extensive expansion and modernization most of which is still unreported in outside sources.

    • D, which T-72’s exactly? I hope they are the true ex-Read Army T-72B, not some “monkey model”.

      The Ukrainians are very tricky people. Some of your neighbours have ended up with freshly painted junk when they tried to buy from them.

      And FYI, Ukrainians don’t produce parts like stabilizers and fire control equipment for these tanks. So when you come to the Russians to buy parts for Ukrainian-supplied tanks, Rosoboronexport will rape you every possible way.

      Did you mean “BRDM-2” rather than BRM? A nice looking light armored vehicle, but a real fuel guzzler (has a PETROL engine), little firepower, little protection, and no side/rear hatches.

      BTR-60 has TWO petrol engines, very inconvenient hatches, and again little firepower and little protection. Can be made better with a 1 x diesel engine conversion, and a combination of applique armor / counter-cumulative screens.

      Little can be done about the hatches, though, as both these vehicles were rather designed for CBRN environment than for direct contact with the enemy.

      Which WZ551? Is it Type 92? With no mobility limitations of Type 90.

      As for Pion and Nora, the only thing I can say is WOW.

      • Thanks for your questions, observations and comments. Let me try to clarify issues to the best of my abilities.

        First of all i am not very conversant with the monkey models you allude to. But the tanks in our stores are the T-72 AV variant. they retain the original hull design and engine of the mother T-72s ours have 2 fundamental differences, first is the laser range finder installed post acquisition and the Kontakt explosive reactive armours at the front and rear of the tank. Dont believe all the nonsense about these beasts being owned by S. Sudan. Thats western propaganda someone was pissed we didnt maintain British tanks in our armory.

        I was not wrong when i said BRM instead of the BRDM 2. These are 2 different combat vehicles with the BRM better suited for reccon roles and the BRDM 2 is amphibious and suited for troop transportation. The BRM is a late variant of the BMP 1, which also had the limitations you have mentioned it solves most problems which you speak about save for the fuel thirst.

        I totally agree with you on the BTR 60 no modifications have been made on the ones we own, at least none that i know of.

        On the WZ551 what we have is the 6×6 unarmed APC version. No mobility problems there. Word is there are plans to make some armed 8×8 version of the same vehicle. This was given as the reason for cancellation of the originally planned numbers as DOD is waiting for completion of these.

  179. Mugwiira,

    So far only three countries operate the Nora B-52. These are Serbia ( 35 ), Myanmar ( 36 ) and Kenya ( 20 ).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_B-52

  180. D

    men cool it down,kenya doen’t have Hrisantema tanks u talk about.

    its the first time am coming across this.

    • on another blog there is a guy who disputes whether or not we have certain aerial capabilities just because he has not seen a link on the net. I would not want to get into the same situation with this issue. there are lots of things going on in the forces that is not in the public domain. The fact that no one has heard of it doesn’t mean its not happening. For example plans are underway for phasing out the G3 rifle as the main battle rifle. You wont hear this anywhere else either. Give it some time, just like the T – 72 saga soon this will come to be known as true.

  181. Tororo,

    I have listened with much amusement to all the rhetoric which you have thus far put out here. Like M7 who never fails to talk about having the best army in Africa, you are again making allusions to the fact that his son Muhoozi
    (Fort Leavenworth and Sandhurst-trained, you said)will ensure that Uganda has the most elite Special Forces unit in Africa.

    But do you realise what Uganda’s real constraints are…looking at things from a 360 degree perspective? For every 10 Special Forces troops which Uganda manages to train ANYWHERE, there are more than TEN African countries which can afford to train 1,000 in Israel, the UK, USa and China! You have been going on and on about the USa training the UPDF. Do you know that in some parts of mama Africa, the US, French, British and Israeli forces are in on training missions practically every month? I hate to imagine that you are constrained in your ability to see things as they are.

    Listen then. Even when Uganda’s oil starts to flow, IT WILL NOT add anything more than an extra US$1bn to the national till. Currently, the Ugandan Govt probably earns no more than US$2bn annually and is 30% dependent on foreign grants-in-aid to support its budget.

    How on earth do you imagine that Kenya, which earns over US$10bn annually will be found wanting in an arms race against Uganda? Are you deluded or overly patriotic to the point of folly?

    There are several adjuncts to military power and these include economics, geography, training,deployment, morale,logistics, equipment, combat experience and POPULATION. Frankly and beyond combat experience, how does Uganda rate against Kenya if all these parameters are used as yardsticks? Very low indeed. How do you think Uganda would rank against countries such as Egypt, South Africa,Nigeria and Algeria all of which boats economies which are 20-30 times larger than Uganda’s and EACH of which generate revenues in excess of US50bn annually and which have substantial industrial bases? Uganda can sustain an arms race against ANY those or you think weaponry is on offer for free?

    You talk about Fort leavenworth and Sandhurst. Hmn, let me say as a Nigerian that the first Nigerian officer at Sandhurst got there in 1950. Kenya’s General Daniel Opnade was at Sandhurst as long ago as 1964. So what is new? The UPDF is really far behind. Wake UP!

    You have talked about how the UPDF and the RPa marched across the jungles of the Congo, albeit directed, tarined and abetted by the USA. Well, the Zairean Army of the 1990s was a hungry, mutinous, prostrate and demoralized army. things were so bad that early in 1997, Mobutu himself had to pay for a shipment of a mere 20 used Mercedes trucks from his own pocket. That was how bad things were at the time – 1996-97.

    Come 1999 and with sterner Zimbabwean and Angolan forces active on the side of the DRC govt., you wanna tell us why the the UPDF and RPA were unable to get past the strongholds of Kisangani and Goma respectively? Do you know what happened when Kabarebe led a posse of Ugandan and Rwandan troops to launch an expedition against Kinshasa? They were chased back by the Zimbos and later fled an armoured assault by Angola spearheaded by 27 armoured vehicles. Check you facts.

    SO do not be so carried away by the UPDF’s exploits against Karimojong cattle rustlers and panga-wielding LRA miscreants. The REAL test of the UPDF is yet to come. Remember that Amin was also very flippant about the worth of his army until they met their nemesis at the hands of Nyerere’s troops which cut through Uganda from south to north as the crow flies.

    You berra wake up, friend.

    Your Comrade-in-Arms,
    BEEG EAGLE (cybergeneral)
    LAGOS, Nigeria.

  182. http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/kitona.aspx

    The Kitona Operation: Rwanda’s African Odyssey
    by Comer Plummer

    While the African Continent has seen no shortage of war in our time, few of these conflicts produced campaigns or battles worthy of study. One exception emerged from the war in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, formerly Zaire, which lasted from 1998 to 2001. This conflict, which has been called Africa’s World War, came to directly involve nine African countries. This war was remarkable in many respects, not the least of which was its opening phase that featured a long range aerial insertion of ground troops behind enemy lines, with the aim of achieving a quick knockout victory. This was an operation that exemplified audacity and courage, and its aftermath became an odyssey fit for a Hollywood script.

    This conflict had its origins in the 1996-7 ‘war of liberation’ in Zaire, during which an alliance of Congolese rebels and foreign forces overthrew the country’s dying despot, Mobutu Sese Seko. While the liberation theme was pushed for public consumption, the underlying causes of the war involved efforts by the regimes of Rwanda, Uganda, and Burundi to defeat domestic opposition groups operating from eastern Zaire. Rwanda, with the most serious crisis, was at the center of this effort.[1]

    Rwanda sank into a period of civil war in 1994, during which Hutu and Tutsi tribes engaged in a horrific genocide that took the lives of up to 800,000 people. Hundreds of thousands of Rwandans fled to refugee camps in eastern Zaire, among them many Hutu soldiers and militiamen who took part in the massacres. These groups used the camps to reorganize and resume their attacks into Rwanda.[2] By 1996, when Mobutu’s decaying state was unable to deal with the crisis, Kigali’s Tutsi-dominated government determined to solve the problem with its small, but highly disciplined army.

    Plucking a rotund, aging Congolese Marxist revolutionary, Laurent-Desiré Kabila, from a comfortable East African exile, the Rwandans set him at the head of an army of liberation consisting of Rwandan ‘advisors’, Zairean dissidents and military deserters, and child soldiers. With Ugandan and Burundian assistance, the alliance swept to power in May of 1997. Kabila set about remaking the country. One of his first acts was to change the country’s name back to its pre-Mobutu appellation of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. For more than a year, Kabila and his Rwandan allies co-existed in power. The Rwandans occupied many key posts in Kabila’s government and the new Congolese Army (FAC).

    One of the central figures in the conflict in the Congo was a Rwandan Colonel, James Kabare (also spelled Kabarebe). Kabare, a Tutsi, was born in Rutshuru in eastern Congo in 1959. A long time confidant and aide to Rwandan President Paul Kagame, he came to play a key role in Rwandan foreign affairs. During Kabila’s march across Congo in 1996-7, Kabare served as the rebel leader’s Chief of Operations. Kabila later appointed Kabare to be interim Chief of Staff of the FAC. Kabare, wiry and intense, was hard liner with a ‘never again’ determination to defend Kagame’s regime. An ardent soldier, he claimed to have participated in hundreds of combat operations.[3]

    Laurent Kabila was not the puppet the Rwandans expected. He came to resent their control and feared Kigali planned his overthrow. Abruptly, on July 13, 1998, Kabila replaced Kabare as his military Chief of Staff. Two weeks later, he ordered all Rwandan troops to depart the Congo.[4] He then rounded up all ‘counter-revolutionaries’, including Congolese Tutsis (called, Banyamulenge), which he suspect of being pro-Rwandan.

    Congo’s king-makers were not so easily dismissed. They decided to replace Kabila. On August 2, 1998, Congolese military units mutinied in Goma, near Congo’s eastern frontier with Rwanda. Soldiers belonging to a new Rwanda-backed rebel group took over a local radio station and announced a revolt to oust Kabila. On cue, Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA) forces steamed across the border into Goma and Bukavu. As these events unfolded, in Kinshasa several hundred Rwandan soldiers who had evaded Kabila’s repatriation order, and supported by Banyamulenge fighters, attacked FAC army bases. FAC units suppressed these attacks, but were quickly overwhelmed in the east. Within days, the RPA controlled Congo’s eastern border from Bukavu to Uvira and was moving deep into the Kivu provinces. In northeastern Congo, Ugandan Army (UPDF) forces invaded Ituri District and began their drive for Kisangani – Congo’s commercial hub on the upper Congo River.[5]

    Laurent Kabila did not panic. The sheer size of his country, the nature of the terrain, and the lack of trafficable roads would doubtless slow the enemy. The year before, it had taken his forces months to march across Congo, and in the face of little resistance. Surely, he would have the time to assemble forces and international support to stem the tide.

    The Rwandans and their Ugandan allies would deny him that luxury. They realized that they needed a quick blow to hasten the end of this war. They had little regard for Congolese forces, but feared a long campaign and the grueling march across the tangled terrain of dense forests, marshes, and innumerable rivers of the Congo River basin. Plus, a quick strike would minimize international condemnation and the risk of drawing neighboring countries into the fight.

    The Rwandans conceived a bold plan: As the offensive in the east developed, they would airlift a contingent of troops 1,500 kilometers across the Congo basin to Kitona air base, located 320 kilometers west of Kinshasa near the Atlantic coast. From there, the contingent would march east, capturing key infrastructure, and attack Kinshasa from the rear. Along the way, they hoped to augment their numbers with Congolese deserters and dissidents, and by liberating Banyamulenge rounded up by Kabila. A Rwandan ‘fifth column’ was already at work in the ghettos of Kinshasa, distributing arms and bribing indigent youths to act as guides within the city.[6] The Rwandans hoped to generate a popular revolt against the Kabila regime. Failing that, at the very least they would sow chaos.

    The Rwandan plan targeted Congo’s economic umbilical, the Bas Congo province. Located west of Kinshasa, this province formed the finger of land that linked Congo’s vast interior with its tiny, 43-km coastline. While Congo’s smallest province, it strategically the most important, containing its only known oil reserves and its primary source of electrical power, the Inga dam complex. This latter facility powered much of Congo, from Kinshasa to the mining cities of Katanga province, 1,700 kilometers distant. Congo’s only oceanic ports were there, including the port of Matadi, and an oil pipeline and rail line linking Kinshasa to the ocean.[7]

    It was an audacious plan, and one fraught with risk. This small force would be required to push across more than 300 kilometers of difficult terrain, seizing several intermediate objectives along the march, at the end of which it would attempt to invest and occupy a city of some 6 million people. The logistics of the operation would depend on a long, tenuous air bridge. The Rwandans did not fear privations or their adversary. They counted on the psychological impact of the operation. Surprise, and their network of agents in Kinshasa, would ensure panic and the collapse of any organized resistance.

    If the Rwandans feared anything, it was Angola. Geography loomed over the Kitona operation. The Angolan frontier lay just south of the air base; to the immediate north was the Angolan enclave of Cabinda. Angola had already shown itself willing to act unilaterally to stabilize the region. The year before, the Angolan Army had intervened to end a civil war in Congo-Brazzaville and its troops were stationed in that country. Moreover, the Angolan Army was a formidable force. Its 112,000 soldiers outnumbered the combined forces of Rwanda, Uganda, and the Congolese rebels.[8] Angolan soldiers were hardened by more than two decades of civil war. In short, the entire adventure depended on Angolan neutrality.

    On August 3, as RPA units were still consolidating their foothold in eastern Congo, Rwandan forces under the personal command of Colonel Kabare, now Rwandan Army Deputy Chief of Staff, commandeered three civilian airliners at Goma’s airport. The following day, he embarked 500 Rwandan soldiers and a Ugandan artillery unit and headed for Kitona.

    The contingent landed at Kitona air base on the morning of August 4, 1998. The defenders offered little resistance. Most were ex-Zairean soldiers who had been sent there for re-training. Unpaid for several weeks, the sight of bundles of U.S. dollars the Rwandans brought drew many to the ranks of the contingent. The Rwandans captured nearby Muanda and Congo’s petroleum operations. In subsequent days, additional flights from Goma and Kigali brought another 3,000 RPA and Congolese rebel soldiers. The contingent began its march east. Boma and Buama fell in rapid succession. By August 13, the invaders had captured Matadi and the Inga damn complex, the last of their intermediate objectives, and stood halfway to their prize. The Rwandans ordered Inga’s turbines shut down, plunging Kinshasa and much of Congo into darkness.[9]

    Laurent Kabila moved to his provincial refuge at Lubumbashi, where he worked feverishly to assemble support for his tottering regime. He lobbied the Southern African Development Community (SADC) for military assistance. On August 17, three key members of that body – Zimbabwe, Angola, and Namibia – gave him their support. Zimbabwean troops began to arrive in Kinshasa shortly thereafter. Angola remained on the sidelines. South African President Nelson Mandela, then also SADC President, called an emergency meeting of its members for August 22.

    The contingent marched on, silently now, for resistance had dissolved. Villages emptied before them. Weapons shouldered, the soldiers filed along the undulating banks of the Congo River, moving ever closer to Kinshasa and the gray waters of the Stanley Pool. Panic engulfed the city, as thousands tried to flee across the river to Brazzaville. The government closed the ferry and people retreated to the ghettos. Diplomats and foreign workers flooded the airport. On August 22, the day the summit was schedule to occur, the Rwandans and their allies were 30 kilometers west of Kinshasa. In the east, Rwanda and Ugandan forces were more than 150 kilometers inside Congo and pushing west under little resistance.[10] It was a race against time, and the Rwandans appeared to be winning.

    Then, it all fell apart. Mandela’s summit failed to come together. Despite his efforts, Angola and Namibia were preparing to intervene in the war. On 23 August, Angolan President José Eduardo Dos Santos announced that his troops would defend Kinshasa. They had in fact already entered Congolese territory. That day, 2,500 Angolan troops, supported by tanks and fighter aircraft, attacked the Rwandan rear base at Kitona. Overwhelmed, the Rwandans rear guard dispersed. Feeling somewhat reassured, Kabila returned to Kinshasa. The hunter now became the hunted. Their line of retreat severed, Colonel Kabare and his commanders had little choice but to press on to Kinshasa. Two days later the contingent began working its way into the hills that surrounded the capital.

    The fight for Kinshasa began in the early morning hours of August 26, 1998. It lasted for three days. The Rwandans surrounded the city and infiltrated key areas, probing for weaknesses. Their attacks were concentrated against the Kasangulu township at western approach to Kinshasa and N’djili airport in the east. These efforts failed, largely due to the stout resistance of Zimbabwean troops. The Rwandans also failed to generate a popular rising in the urban quarters. Rumors of a Tutsi uprising launched a spontaneous vigilante hunt for Banyamulenge and collaborators. In those frenzied days, dozens were lynched and the streets smoked with the charred bodies of those burned alive.[11]

    The Rwandans and their allies pulled back into the hills, where they regrouped and took stock of their plight. They were dangerously short of supplies, their line of retreat was cut, and they were more than a thousand kilometers inside hostile country. FAC and Angolan troops were converging on them from east and west. One by one, they recaptured Muanda, Boma, Inga, Buama, and Matadi. The contingent had only one choice – exfiltration. But from where? The nearest airfield was north, across the Congo River in Congo-Brazzaville. This was not a viable option, given the lack of barges and that country’s alignment with Angola. Looking over a map, Kabare spotted a small regional airport across the Angolan border at Maquela do Zombo. UNITA rebels roamed this area during the Angolan Civil War and it remained largely uncontrolled by Luanda.

    As the main body hunkered down and licked its wounds, the Rwandans hastened a reconnaissance team to Maquela do Zombo to determine the suitability of the airport. The team returned a week later, haggard and parched by the height of the African summer. The news was not good: The airport was occupied by 400 Angolan troops. Undeterred, the Rwandans began to plan for an attack on the airport.

    In mid-September 1998, Colonel Kabare was ready to make his move. Leaving behind the sick and wounded, he took the contingent across the border and marched on Maquela do Zombo. Arriving several days later, they launched a night attack that surprised and routed the defenders. Over the following days, Kabare had the sick and wounded brought to the new camp, while his forces prepared defenses around the airport. Inspecting their prize, they found that the runway would need improvements. They would need to extend the length of the runway from 1,400 to 1,800 meters to allow for larger cargo planes to land. Runway lights would be required for a night time evacuation. Kabare realized he would need time. He pushed forward their defenses and blocked the only access road 100 kilometers from town.

    For nearly two months the contingent held the airport against encroaching Angolan forces. They repelled several Angolan attacks, including one spearheaded by 26 armored vehicles. Small supply flights arrived from Rwanda, bringing the tools and generators that enabled them to add extend the runway and add lights. With the runway ready, aircraft began arriving to evacuate the contingent to Kigali. Over the next few days, the Rwandans made more than 30 flights out of Maquela do Zombo. Kabare later remarked, “As we emptied the airport, we fell back from the perimeters. On the last day, our defenses were just a few kilometers from the airport.” On the final night of the operation, the Rwandan rear guard and the commanders made a dash for the last plane as the Angolans closed in.

    By Christmas Day, 1998, the last elements of the contingent returned home. Thirty-one soldiers of the Ugandan artillery unit, healthy and smiling, debarked to a heroes’ welcome at Kampala. Major General Afande Saleh, the Ugandan Minister of Defense, was on hand to greet them. Kabare later noted with satisfaction, “We handed them all in good health to Afande Saleh.” He paused, allowing himself a rare degree of sentiment, “They were all really good boys, some of the best.”

    The intervention of SADC forces saved Kabila’s regime. After the Rwandans were turned back at Kinshasa, the war in the Congo settled into a stalemate that lasted more than two years. In January, 2001, a bodyguard assassinated Laurent Kabila and his son, Joseph Kabila, replaced him. By then, war fatigue chased off many of the belligerents, and those few remaining bowed to pressure to end a conflict that had become increasingly indefensible and unpopular. Congolese government and rebel leaders signed a peace agreement and formed a transitional government. In 2006 Congolese went to the polls in the country’s first free elections in 40 years and elected Joseph Kabila president of a unified Congo.

  183. No training on use of Ukrainian and Russian tanks: SPLA spokesman

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    http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article32328

    September 2, 2009 (RUMBEK) — The Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) spokesman Maj. Gen. Kuol Diem Kuol denied that the SPLA has brought Kenyan military officers to Sudan for the purpose of training in the use of newly imported T-72 battle tanks.

    Kuol denied recent media suggestions that the SPLA is being trained by Kenyan experts on the use of Ukrainian and Russians tanks. He told Sudan Tribune by phone from Juba that a report carried in the online daily on Monday is false.

    The Nairobi Star in a report published last week — and cited by Sudan Tribune on Monday — said almost 300 Kenyan military officers were being dispatched to South Sudan to train the SPLA in the use of their newly acquired military equipment including an estimated 100 T-72s main battle tanks.

    SPLA’s alleged involvement in a major arms deal for the tanks and other heavy weapons came to light when the Ukrainian-owned ship MV Faina was hijacked by pirates off the coast of Somalia in September 2008. There were 33 T-72 tanks on board the MV Faina, reportedly the last batch of a series of shipments made through Kenya since at least as early as 2007.

    Kuol Diem Kuol said that “the Government of Southern Sudan has invited Kenyan senior military officers for training of non-commissioned SPLA officers in an administration management unit.”

    He confirmed that this training will end after four months. However, Diem did not disclose the centres where training would take place in South Sudan. He also added that the training, which kicks off in this month, will focus on how to improve the SPLA from a former rebel guerrilla force into a conventional army.

    The Kenyan daily had affirmed that the T-72 tanks are now based in the capital of Lakes State, Rumbek where they were transported in airplanes from Moi Air Base at Eastleigh. The freight manifest of the MV Faina, a copy of which was obtained by BBC News last year, showed contract numbers that included the initials “GOSS,” thought to refer to the Government of Southern Sudan. According to that document, the consignee on the contract was the Kenyan Ministry of Defence.

    In July 2009, the newsletter Jane’s Defence Weekly published satellite images, obtained via a commercial satellite, of 33 tanks moving northward. But the SPLA spokesman denied that the tanks were in Rumbek saying, “This is a great lie, there is no plane that transported military equipment into Rumbek.”

    Finally, Kuol asserted that SPLA is working hard to install more troops along inter-tribal lines in Southern Sudan to protect civilians.

  184. Wow, thanks for the links BEEGEAGLE.
    I have really learned a lot here.

    • I suggest y’all REFRAIN from the many puerile attempts at drawing the Nigerian Armed Forces into this. It will continue to backfire until someone can put out ANY nearly comparative battlefield report on the Kenya Army. There are several other good people here and I don’t want to fray nerves. Kapish?

      @Olekoima. At the onset of the Nigerian Civil War, the pro-Biafran lobby successfully got most Western nations(based on humanitarian concerns) to refrain from supplying arms to the Federalists. In an act of defiance, the FG turned to the East and acquired 45 combat jets, early variants of the ZSU-23 Shilka, over ten large torpedo boats and 122mm arty of that era from the Soviet bloc. Nigeria quickly learnt to diversify its sources of procurement and has kept it so ever since.

  185. Study the past trend of acquisitions by the kenyan DOD. it shows a clear move towards modernization at least every 2 years in a rotational manner. First of all the Navy went for a new vessel the KNS Jasiri, its unfortunate how that turned out but the intent is clear. Then came the T-72 saga of the army followed by F – 5 purchases of the airforce.

    Defence contracting is a complex field. We are talking billions of dollars up front and a constant supply of cash to major world players as payment for after sale services after the original deals. The noise that came from the T-72 acquisition and all its controversy is not from the fact that the tanks were bought for S. Sudan. The Brits were pissed that Kenya did not go for the Vickers MK – 7 or the more expensive chieftain as a successor to the aging MK-3s. What you buy is dictated by your financial and defensive deals. In this case the T-72 fit well into these 2 determining factors.

    I would pity anyone who still thinks these tanks were meant for S. Sudan. Ask yourselves why buy 110 powerful combat machines if you dont have the expertise or the resources to operate and maintain them?

    • Like I said, Kenya have a preference for brand-new weapons while South Sudan can only afford refurbished or used weaponry for now. These consignments – 203mm Pion SP, BRDM-2 Scout cars, BM-21 122mm MRLS, ZU-23mm AA guns and 110 T-72 tanks belong to SOUTH SUDAN while the whole gamut of brand-new Chinese and Serbian-made weaponry are KENYA’S. Trust me.

      My brother, we have been on this matter for long enough to know what we mean, For emphasis, here is a VOA NEWS report for you to read. Even satellite imagery confirms that the tanks are parked in South Sudan’s Lakes State.

      http://forum.cybereagles.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=147890&start=0b

      [size=200]Satellite Imagery Shows South Sudan Undergoing Arms Buildup[/size]
      [b]VOA NEWS[/b]
      By Alisha Ryu
      Nairobi
      29 July 2009

      A recent report by the respected Jane’s Defense Weekly is raising concerns about an arms buildup in Southern Sudan. Analysts are concerned that any renewed conflict between North and South could be far more destructive that the previous civil war.

      The report focuses on what Jane’s Defense Weekly says is South Sudan’s on-going attempt to assemble a significant fleet of main battle tanks, possibly with help from neighboring Kenya.

      The author of the report, Lauren Gelfand, says her research tried to confirm reports that a shipment of 33 Russian style T-72 tanks, weapons and ammunition captured by Somali pirates a year ago aboard the Ukrainian freighter MV Faina and later released to the Kenyan government, were destined for South Sudan.

      The Kenyan government has long insisted that it purchased the consignment of arms for the Kenyan army and officials in South Sudan have repeatedly denied any involvement.

      Gelfand says that while she could not prove the tanks aboard the Faina are now in South Sudan, satellite imagery gathered between March and May of this year showed nearly two dozen new tracked vehicles under camouflage at a compound belonging to the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Gelfand says the size and dimensions suggests the vehicles are not the older and smaller T-54 and T-55 tanks, but more modern T-72s. Gelfand says Jane’s Defense Weekly has confirmed from sources that South Sudan ordered 100 T-72 tanks as early as 2005.

      “The T-72s that South Sudan said they did not order, the ones aboard the Faina, are the third of three shipments that had been ordered around the time the SPLM signed the CPA with the Khartoum government,” said Lauren Gelfand. “It fits within the broader context that even though they did sign this peace agreement, they still have an enduring disenchantment with one another and an enduring difficulty in really coming together and being one country.”

      South Sudan officials had no immediate comment on the Janes Report.

      The Comprehensive Peace Agreement, also known as CPA, was signed in 2005, ending one of Africa’s most devastating civil wars. The final death toll reached two million and another four million people were internally uprooted.

      The CPA attempted to address the core issues that led to the conflict, namely complaints by the South that it was being politically and economically marginalized by Khartoum’s northern Arab-dominated government. Through the CPA, the former adversaries agreed to share power and oil wealth and to allow South Sudan to conduct a referendum on independence in 2011.

      But amid on-going disputes about territorial claims and oil rights, the accord has largely failed to unify the two sides. Instead, analysts say both the North and South have tried to guarantee their positions by building up their armies.

      Gelfand says the government in Khartoum, which is fighting a separate war in the western Darfur region, has been steadily modernizing its ground forces and significantly expanding its fleet of military aircraft.

      “They confirmed last year that they bought a bunch of MiG-29 multi-role fighter aircraft and they also acquired Chinese aircraft,” said Gelfand. “And Chinese technicians were allegedly seen in North Sudan helping to train Sudanese air force pilots because they just did not have the ability to fly these sophisticated aircraft. The MiG-29s that were part of the air fleet beforehand had been flown by Russians. But it seems like there might be a move toward having indigenously-trained pilots.”

      Khartoum also has attack helicopters, armed trainer aircraft, transport aircraft and a substantial arsenal of surface-to-air missiles, artillery, field guns, and advanced rocket systems.

      Analysts say if the CPA collapses, Sudan can expect to return to full-scale war with better weaponry, more firepower, and more horrific loss of lives.

  186. Yes “D”, i also find it strange when people argue that buying eastern weapons will represent a major shift in training and equipment yet the same people have been silent on the acquisitions from China and Romania. Aren’t these countries not eastern also?
    Besides, countries like Egypt, Morocco, Zimbabwe and Nigeria all have a mix of both soviet/Russia and western weaponry. What make Kenya different so as to stick ONLY to NATO origin weapons?
    Doesn’t even Sudan and Ethiopia have this mix?

  187. what a blog,thanks.for uni4med guys ,pliz i want to join you in the kenya army.i am 19 yrs of age male.pliz,pliz can u tell me of the date the recruitment is to start.i have been waiting 4 so long since january this yr.my worry is that i am 5ft 3inches tall.but in the next 2 or 3 yrs i hope to hit 5ft 5in.can the height block my ambitions.i am also taking an accounting corse with kasneb.will i fit propery in the military,i hope so coz it’s my long dream career.olekoima,d”,risasi,kagendo,olenkarei and the others in uniform ,keep it up coz u are profesionals,and ur actions tells it all.i hope all will be well and i’ll be successful.mwistar keep bioging.the uni4med i’am sure it’s b’coz of your perseverance thats why you are where you are.pliz, pliz ,pliz in4m me of the date or the soonest u think the recruitment will take place.

  188. hey mo you are all heart kid, i hope you get a growth spurt real soon. pray to get to 5 6′ to be on the safe side. stay disciplined and fit. when the date comes utajua.

  189. Forget about the Nigeria guy. He is just trying to lure traffic to this website. what is posting about the T-72 is old school. In fact his country dosn,t have an airforce or a striking one for that matter.

    • Risasi, you can live a lie if it suits you.

      If Nigeria does not have an Air Force, it is nothing new. At the onset of the Biafran War in 1967, it did not have a single fighter jet since the Air Force was only formed in 1964. Infact the Biafran Air Force launched the first air raid of the Nigerian Civil War.

      Between August 1967 and Dec 1968, the same baby Nigerian Air Force had acquired 33 MiG 17s, 6 MiG 15s, six L29 Delfins and six IL-28 Beagles for a total of 51 jets, all acquired in one year. So you need not worry. Nigeria is NIGERIA.

      But if you are relying on Wiki for your details, you have a BIG surprise coming. I am sure you know what a country which earns US$60-80bn yearly for the last five years and which has foreign reserves of over US$40bn can afford to do in one FELL swoop IF it has to do just that. It would only take US700m dollars to acquire 36 refurbished MiG 29s within three months.

      Across Africa, ONLY Algeria, Libya, Angola, Egypt or South Africa will be able to adjust to vagaries so quickly. The sanctions placed on the NAF during the Abacha years did affect the NAF’s since its core striking force was comprised of Jaguar jets(now grounded and in storage). The G222 and C130 planes were also affected but the NAF are rebuilding and you need to be mindful of speaking too soon. SURE you would not want to end up sounding stupid in the long run.

      Have a great day.

      • BEEG EAGLE I Don,t see how I am sounding stupid. I am merely interpreting what I see. the Biafran was 4 decade ago as you state, infantry warfare was at its pick. It seems you haven’t woken up and changed your tactics yet. your country is full of Anarchy and unrest let alone corruption. Have you ever seen that magnitude in east Africa? Yes we have our problems but you guys are the cream of it. You country has the cash but its full of greedy Generals who care nothing more then their foreign bank accounts. You aren,t the only country to be under a sanctions if that’s your excuse. I wish you country was on the east african region. You would have been under the rule of the mighty Kagame or the Notorious Museveni by now. Believe me if the east African countries plus Sudan and Ethiopian/Eretrian were to mount an offensive we will stop at the Atlantic sea in west africa and along “some” N.Africa states borders. It will be a walk over in some areas. Go enlighten your fellow west Africans. Post your ohrga crap somewhere else.

  190. thanks very much d”.do u mean i am not old enough to join u.but thanks all in all.be blessed.

  191. I like following the comments on this page: very informative and quite entertaining at times.
    But, let’s not get carried away – true military capabilities are a matter of national security for every sovereign nation. As the good Major ole NK (above) once put it: misinformation and disinformation is part of the game.
    Therefore, any info you find in public domains should be taken with a grain of salt, regardless of how credible the source seems. At best, it is a good indication of what various countries have, but by no means is it comprehensive.
    Therefore, be wary of anybody who masquerades as an authority on any specific country’s military capabilities.

  192. When we come with expert opinion on what we purportedly know, we should endeavour to provide evidence. It is not OK to dismiss reports and evidence provided by reputable Kenyan, South Sudanese, Janes’ and VOA News sources whereas we have NOTHING whatsoever to repudiate the claims which we have ourselves set forth. It smacks of intellectual indolence

  193. @ Beeg Eagle – My previous comment takes into account the evidence provided by news media. I am in the business of researching news leads.
    I work closely with editors of western media; I also have, on many occasions, liaised with many govt departments and politicians.
    What you call intellectual indolence, I call prudence. Feeding people with misinformation is easier than you think. We must remember, Sadaam Hussein had chemical weapons.

  194. Mwistar, the parallel is untenable in this case because there is satellite imagery to back up whatever has been asserted by Janes’. That is indubitable evidence.

    In April 1983, the Nigerian Army invaded Chad to recapture Lake Chad island posessions which had been occupied by Chadian forces on account official Nigerian indifference occasioned by remoteness from the centre (Lagos was over 1,000 miles away). The Nigerian Army armoured expeditionary force recaptured ALL 19 islands and captured a further 32 islands from the Chadian in ONE DAY of fighting. The Nigerian Army would not withdraw until the French backed up Chadian protestations to the Un Security Council with photographic evidence captured by satellite imagery

    South Sudan is not a sovereign state and it can ONLY procure weaponry through a neutral third party. The weaponry which is currently pouring into South Sudan was acquired through a sovereign proxy and that country is KENYA. Because of its overlapping interest in South Sudan (read LRA), the Ugandan Government can ill-afford to upset the Khartoum regime.

    When someone has a serious lead to repudiate my assertions as set forth thus far, let them post it. There can be nothing more to add when everyone has a certain persuasion but has no evidence to substantiate it. As you can see, I have posted links copiously for every assertion that I have made. That is what is expected in an objective and intellectual discussion.

    Thank you, cybergenerals.

    • Satellite imagery you say? How come it only got about 33 tanks, the precise number that was in the MV Faina? Pure western propaganda isn’t it?Where the are the rest of the tanks that were bought from Ukraine between 2007 and 2008? They are 110 in total.
      What about the over 100 T-54s/55s that were transferred to S.Sudan from Kenya in 2007. Couldn’t these be captured by the same satellite?
      Are they suggesting that S.Sudan has a total of 210 tanks now(i.e T-72s and T-54s/55s). Where are the personnel to man all these machines? Isn’t this a massive tank force for young S.Sudan all built in a space of only 2 years? Guys get real, something does not add up here.

      http://www.deagel.com/equipment/Main-Battle-Tanks-T-72-a000770.aspx

  195. haha@ Cybergenerals
    Beeg Eagle – If I recall correctly, there were satellite images to back the claims against Iraq. But let’s not dwell on that.

    The point I am making is that, yes, there is public information about various military capabilities. Yes, there are certain sources of information that are credible. However, relying on publicly available information as though it is infallible is at the very least careless.

    Of course South Sudan is not a sovereign state. That is besides the point.

    Your ‘knowledge’ of the history of conflicts in Africa is good. I use the quotations because this information can be accessed by anybody who can spell a few key English words on a search engine online. Unfortunately, you are just regurgitating without adding any real value.

    I am not arguing as a military expert – I would rather not plagiarize information. My comments are from the perspective of a researcher.

  196. BEEG EAGLE I Don,t see how I am sounding stupid. I am merely interpreting what I see. the Biafran was 4 decade ago as you state, infantry warfare was at its pick. It seems you haven’t woken up and changed your tactics yet. your country is full of Anarchy and unrest let alone corruption. Have you ever seen that magnitude in east Africa? Yes we have our problems but you guys are the cream of it. You country has the cash but its full of greedy Generals who care nothing more then their foreign bank accounts. You aren,t the only country to be under a sanctions if that’s your excuse. I wish you country was on the east african region. You would have been under the rule of the mighty Kagame or the Notorious Museveni by now. Believe me if the east African countries plus Sudan and Ethiopian/Eretrian were to mount an offensive we will stop at the Atlantic sea in west africa and along “some” N.Africa states borders. It will be a walk over in some areas. Go enlighten your fellow west Africans. Post your ohrga crap somewhere else

    • RISASI, what sanctions have Kenya been under? OK, Eritrea have sanctions but the aircraft and armour which they use are of Russian origin so how does western sanctions affect those? You may be completely deluded.

      Nigeria was the FIRST army to fight and WIN a Civil War on the battlefield in post-independence Africa.The attitude in INGRAINED. I am talking here about a secessionist army which had aircraft and artillery and armour, NOT LRA/Shifta-types wielding pangas. The Biafran Army had the crop of the finest Sandhurst and Aldershot-trained officers in the Nigerian Army prior to the Civil War and it was not comparable in either resourcefulness or training to the RPA which you are scared stiff of. The Biafrans distilled their own petrol, fabricated mortars and even armoured vehicles.

      The scale of the battles which took place during the said war has NEVER been seen in East Africa outside of The Sudan. It involved amphibious landings of troops in the thousands and they used ships which are still not available in East Africa today (NNS Nigeria, a Dutch-built frigate inclusive). 35,000 troops of the Federal 3 Marine Commando Division hit the theatre in opposed amphibious landings through the estuaries of the Gulf of Guinea and the creeks of the Niger Delta. NO East African army can do that, forty-three years down the line.

      You guys run around chasing cattle rustlers and you can use that to rate your army? Has the Kenyan Army fought ANY conventional war? Was the siege against the Sabaot Land Defence Force an event?

      You mention Rwanda and Uganda. Because they chased out the prostrate army that was Mobutu’s? Were there any altercations on the way to Kinshasa? Since they are so good, why do the LRA (after 24 years) and ADF continue to exist? Why do the FDLR rebels continue to exist even after so many Rwanda incursions into eastern DRC since 1994 in pursuit? When the Angolans and Zimbabweans came along why did Rwanda and Uganda not advance beyond eastern DR Congo? Iron sharpeneth iron.

      As far as we know in Nigeria(Nigeria and Rwanda were the first countries with troops in Darfur), the RPF AND UPDF are mere guerrillas who are still trying to be soldiers. If they torment you guys, too bad. The UPDF established an armoured brigade in 2008 and a field arty brigade in 2009. Guys, we have had those for 35 years! It also turned out its first paratroopers since 1986 only last year? Come on, don’t be ridicuous.

      Need I remind you that when the Tanzanian Army (which destroyed Amin) mutinied in 1964 and was disbanded, it was retrained from scratch by a battalion of the Nigerian Army. The FIRST 100 officers of the post-independence Zimbabwe Army were trained in Nigeria in 1980. Those are today’s Zimbabwean generals.

      Somebody was so ignorant as to mention that the Nigerian Army needs an upgrade. Here is a reality check. Dude, unlike the diploma-wielding officers which you have in East Africa, the Nigerian Defence Academy has been a degree-awarding institution where officers are drilled in military training and academic instruction for FIVE YEARS dating back to 1985 and 95% of Nigerian military officers are graduates. In terms of foreign military establishments, they outshine most other Africans in overseas institutions. Some of you mention Fort Bragg, Fort Lauderdale et al like you only just heard about them. Dude, our people have been training there quietly for fifty years and consistently come out with top honours possible for foreign cadets.

      Even the expired and old-school Abacha was at Fort Bragg. Is there ANY institution where you send officers to which Nigeria will not have more officers in training? I am surprised that some of us sound SO INSULAR.

      As we speak, Nigerian has had a satellite in orbit since 2003 and its field of view covers as far east as western Ethiopia. It was the first which spotted the build-up of Hurricane Katrina and has been used to capture imagery of all state capitals in Nigeria for us to see. It can see to resolutions of 2ftX1ft. Can you guys even gather intelligence in sophisticated as you talk crap about marching to West Africa? The future of air warfare is drones. Will East African armies even recognise one when they see one?

      As for hardware, AS OF TODAY the NA holds stocks of more tanks, AFVs and APC/IFVs than ALL of Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda and Rwanda and has SIX as much forex than the same combination of countries…in case it comes to buying arms in a conflict situation. Nigeria also has more people than the same combination of countries PUT TOGETHER.

      You are either overly nationalistic or optimistic to the point of naivety. Can you list the theatres where Kenya has been in action since 1963? Throughout the 1990s, Nigeria was in Liberia and Sierra Leone stabilizing both countries simultaneously. She spent US$8bn doing so. At peak deployment, the Nigerian Army deployed 13,000 troops in Liberia and 19, 000 troops in Sierra Leone. It deployed 7 Alpha jets and lost only one jet in 10 years. Those rebels were armed by Libya.

      Nigeria was in firm control of the Bakassi Peninsula between 1993-2008 and in the Niger Delta where armed conflict broke out in January 2006, have you ever heard about rebels taking over ANY town? They only sabotage badly-exposed oil industry infrastructure (10,000kms of pipelines running overland and atop bodies of water) but they dare NOT trifle with the Nigerian military. NONE of the military institutions can even attempt to hold out in the Niger Delta, a region the size of Rwanda and Burundi and with a labyrinthine maze of 3,014 creeks and waterways.

  197. its not out of nationalistic pride that i side with Risasi on this. Tactically speaking Beeg Eagle your army needs an upgrade. Ive seen some of your units in training. individual tactical movement is wanting and those are just the basics. Surely if you guys cant get that right how on earth can they mount a coordinated assault on a target with fire support and armour movement. Its not as easy as its seen in the movies. if your forward observers get it wrong your own artillery obliterates you. I dont criticize the filed commanders and platoon leaders in this its the fault of the big wigs for not providing sufficient competent training for your drill instructors. I were in charge of clamping down on those rebels in the niger delta for example i would use completely different strategies. Their position is not easily defensible seeing that one flank of theirs is the marshy terrain of the delta itself.

  198. D, your point about tactics has to be a bit unserious seeing that the Kenya Army have scarcely EVER fired a serious shot anywhere or in any direction. Trust Africans to import what they have and export what they do not have. The Kenya Army needs to get some live fire experience before you sell ideas to Nigeria that has been battling almost non-stop since 1990, in and out of Nigeria – Liberia, SLR, Bosnia, Somalia etc. The NA need an upgrade from the frontline while the Kenya Army from the safety of their foxholes will do the instruction? Dude, get real. UNAMSIL ain’t ECOMOG, you know?

    You appear to know little or nothing about the terrain of the Niger Delta. With 3,014 creeks and waterways, it is more of a FORMIDABLE stronghold than any mountain. Why did America struggle so badly in Vietnam? ANSWER – the war was fought in the even smaller MEKONG delta and the altercations were such that there was no script to be followed.

    Someone mentioned internal crisis in Nigeria? Well, Kenya has 42 ethnolinguistic groups. You wanna compare that to 514 ethnolinguistic groups in Nigeria? It takes some time to harmonise diversity of that sort, so talk about what you are familiar with.

    @Mwistar. This verbal rigmarole is not necessary. Just show me the reference materials I need to see. The BBC, VOA and Janes’ Defence are not credible but Wikipedia is? You guys sometimes make me laugh. Did you see the bromide of the MV Faina’s manifest when the BBC posted it at the time? It was clearly marked GOSS.

  199. You guys are here talking about the quality of East African troops. have the Ugandan and Burundian troops not been practically straped to the precincts of the airport since they went in there in support of the TFG? During the 2nd Liberian Civil War and even with US Marines marooned offshore for THREE WEEKS, the FIRST army to go into Liberia to restore sanity was the NIGERIAN ARMY. Shells were falling on the UN compound in the capital at the time. That is what the Nigerian Army represents…NOT textbook rhetoric that has never been put to test anywhere.

    The only REAL battle which has taken place in East Africa since Amin has been the Eritrea-Ethiopian War. I said so.

    JUST A LITTLE IDEA OF WHERE the Nigerian Army is coming from.

    THE BATTLE OF FREETOWN

    24 February 1999: ECOMOG troops and the Civil Defence Forces militia have pushed rebel forces out of Waterloo, ECOMOG spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Chris Olukulade said on Wednesday. Waterloo is 18 miles from Freetown. “The battle to flush the rebels who had made bases in Waterloo Town and in the forest around the town started on Saturday. Yesterday, we were able to crush them finally and fully deploy in the town,” he said. “Our flushing of the rebels from Waterloo and the surroundings means Freetown is now safe, for the time being, from the threat of rebel attacks.” Olukulade said ECOMOG had used tanks and planes in the military operation, and had also captured Benguema, the site of a major military barracks. Radio France International reported Wednesday that ECOMOG was continuing to use Nigerian Alpha jet fighters to bomb the hills around Waterloo where rebel forces are believed to be located.

    27 January: Fighting was reported Wednesday on the eastern edge of Freetown. ECOMOG task force commander Brigadier-General Abu Ahmadu said the force was targeting rebel hide-outs in the hills overlooking Kissy, Wellington, and Calaba Town. The Agence France-Presse (AFP) said Wednesday morning’s shelling was the most intense in three weeks of fighting in and around the capital. An ECOMOG spokesman said Guinean and Ghanaian ECOMOG troops advancing from Port Loko to the east had linked up with their Nigerian counterparts along the main road. He said the ECOMOG force would now concentrate their efforts on “flushing out” rebels from the nearby hills.

    Fleeing residents told Reuters that several hundred rebels appeared to be in control of parts of the eastern suburbs, but that their numbers were increased by rebels who descended from the hills at night. Sustained small arms fire was also heard from the western edge of the capital, causing panic among residents. The spokesman said the shooting was from ECOMOG troops who had fired into the air during a search for rebel infiltrators at Juba Barracks, which houses soldiers of the disbanded Sierra Leone Army. Fighting in Freetown has created some 500,000 displaced persons in the city, Bishop George Biguzzi told the Italian Missionary Service News Agency (MISNA) . “The eastern sector of Freetown, where most of the heavy fighting took place in the last weeks, is the most critical considering it is also the poorest area of the city,” Biguzzi was quoted as saying.Spanish journalist Javier Espinosa was released on Wednesday, two days after he and French journalist Patrick Saint Paul were taken prisoner by AFRC/RUF rebels.

    His released came after Saint Paul, who was freed on Monday, disclosed the contents of a rebel communiqué in a BBC interview. The rebels had demanded that their message be read over the BBC before they would release Espinosa. Espinosa told his newspaper, El Mundo, that only two of six Sisters of Charity nuns kidnapped last week were still alive. He said three of the nuns were killed in an exchange of fire between the the rebels and ECOMOG troops, and were buried in the hills near the rebel camp where he was held captive. A fourth nun was murdered on Friday. The rebels said they would kill the remaining two nuns if ECOMOG attacked their camp again.

    26 JAN: ECOMOG bombarded suspected rebel positions overnight in the hills overlooking Kissy and in the wooded areas beyond Lumley before dawn on Tuesday. Shelling was also reported Monday night around around Calaba Town. ECOMOG officers said they were targeting “rebel infiltrators,” Reuters reported. The Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported “relatively little shooting” overnight, but said tension in Freetown remained high. A military source said ECOMOG troops were “moving south, and would start bombarding adjacent hills in the next 48 hours.” In conflicting reports, Reuters quoted medical staff at Connaught Hospital Tuesday as saying that the number of wounded arriving there had decreased substantially, while the AFP said wounded victims, many of them mutilated, continued to arrive at the city’s five hospitals.

    The AFP, quoting hospital sources, reported more than 3,000 persons are known to have died during nearly three weeks of fighting between ECOMOG troops and AFRC/RUF rebel forces, with the final death toll expected to be much higher. No estimate of military casualties has been released.The Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported Tuesday that some 60 people were killed Sunday in an attack on Waterloo. The number is based on reports by residents of 25 civilian deaths and a claim by Guinean ECOMOG sources that 35 rebels were killed during clashes in the town. Some 17 houses at Waterloo were reported to have been burned down. On Monday, ECOMOG said rebels were present at Wellington, but claimed to have surrounded the rebels on all sides. “We have blocked all known routes and are patrolling the coast,” said ECOMOG spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Jimoh Okunlola, adding that rebel forces were caught between ECOMOG troops at Kissy and in Waterloo. Okunlola said the rebels’ supply lines had been cut and that they were running out of ammunition. ECOMOG spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Chris Olukulade said Tuesday that neighbourhood vigilante groups which have sprung up in Freetown have the support of ECOMOG. “We encourage that but there should be orderliness. They should be organised enough to help ECOMOG in countering the movement of suspicious characters or likely rebels in the society,” he said in a radio broadcast.

    25 JAN: President Kabbah on Monday appeared to rule out a political settlement of the Sierra Leone conflict for the time being. “Now there is only a military solution,” Kabbah said. “We have to push the rebels far, far from Freetown.” Kabbah made the pronouncement following talks with Nigerian Foreign Minister Ignatius Olisemeka and Chief of Defence Staff Air Marshall Al-Amin Daggash, who were in Sierra Leone to assess the military situation. Daggash said ECOMOG troops were making good progress in what he termed “open warfare.”

    Referring to reports of rebels using civilians as human shields, Daggash added: “We are moving slowly towards the east because we don’t want to kill everybody.”The Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported that intense fighting took place Monday between ECOMOG troops and AFRC/RUF rebel forces at Waterloo. Thousands of civilians were said to be fleeing toward the city centre from the eastern suburbs. In Kissy, the Safecon petroleum depot was reported to be on fire, according to a report by the pro-government Radio Democracy 98.1. Aid workers said they had registered 17,000 of an estimated 50,000 residents sheltering at the National Stadium. Throughout Freetown, members of the “Citizens Security Movement,” comprised of groups of neighbourhood civil defence units, manned checkpoints and conducted searches.Diplomatic sources said Monday that 140 rebels surrendered to ECOMOG Saturday at Tombo, according to an Agence France-Presse (AFP) report.

    JAN 23; ECOMOG sources said on Saturday that their troops were still encountering resistance from AFRC/RUF rebel troops in the eastern suburbs of Freetown, between Calaba Town and Kissy, an area overlooked by hills. ECOMOG task force commander Brigadier-General Abu Ahmadu said ECOMOG was searching for stragglers among the retreating rebels in the eastern suburbs, and were “shooting on sight” many rebels they encountered although they had captured about 200 adult rebels and a number of child combatants.. An ECOMOG spokesman indicate said the force was conducting house-to-house searches in Kissy, but indicated that the town had not yet been secured. “Once a place is swept we deploy soldiers. This has not been done in Kissy yet,” he said.

    ECOMOG sources also reported that rebels had infiltrated the forest area on the western fringes of the city, beyond Lumley. Lumley residents heard the sounds of shelling beyond the town Friday night, and took to the streets with machetes and sticks after hearing reports of rebel sightings in the area, Reuters reported. ECOMOG confirmed it had shelled wooded areas to the west. President Kabbah, who spoke on Radio Democracy 98.1 late Friday, said that military operations by ECOMOG would continue beyond the weekend, and apologised for the continued presence of rebels in the capital two weeks after they first entered the city. The Missionary Service News Agency (MISNA) reported Saturday that about 100,000 displaced persons had arrived in Freetown, fleeing fighting in the areas of Calaba Town and Wellington “due to the ‘turn’ the conflict is taking and for fear of the eventual atrocities the rebel groups could commit while escaping.”

    ECOMOG Lieutenant Colonel Chris Olukolade confirmed the exodus from the eastern suburbs of the capital. “People are so afraid that they’re willing to risk their lives to flee the area,” he said. “Rebels are making incursions along the main road before going back up to the hills,” Olukolade added, calling the rebels “afraid and thirsty for blood.” ECOMOG Major Kaya Tanko told London’s Independent newspaper, “We have secured 50 per cent of the eastern end of the city, but our problem is the hills above Kissy. The rebels are hiding there. They come down at night to attack civilians and loot and burn their homes.” MISNA said that while Sierra Leonean authorities were trying to tackle the emergency, “until now they have not found a way to provide food, water and shelter for the displaced. It is the mere beginning of a human catastrophe.”

    JANUARY 22: ECOMOG officers said Friday that Nigerian fighter jets were attacking rebel strongholds in the mountains surrounding Freetown, while Nigerian and Guinean ECOMOG units were closing in on rebels trapped on the eastern fringes of the city. “(The rebels) have been devastated and (are) running in all directions,” said ECOMOG spokesman Colonel Chris Olukuoade. “We are now on phase two of the operation, which is cordon and search.” RUF commander Sam “Maskita” Bockarie told the Agence France-Presse (AFP) Friday that AFRC/RUF rebels planned to launch an attack to retake the capital. “We are changing our tactic and planning a surprise attack on Freetown,” he said, adding that despite their retreat the rebels “were still a strong fighting force.” Bockarie denied allegations that the RUF was receiving assistance from Liberia and Burkina Faso. He claimed that the rebels had purchased or captured their arms from ECOMOG. “The Nigerians in ECOMOG are selling us arms and ammunition. They are collaborating with us,” Bockarie said. He added that other weapons had been “seized from ECOMOG soldiers who were captured,” adding that had captured “250 ECOMOG soldiers so far.”

    JANUARY 21; Heavy gunfire was heard throughout the day Thursday from areas southeast of Freetown. ECOMOG sources said they had encircled rebel forces, who were caught between Nigerian troops pursuing from Kissy, and by Guinean troops advancing from Hastings who had now linked up with Nigerian forces closing in from Waterloo. French helicopter pilots under contract to ECOMOG said armed men identified as RUF rebels had been spotted Wednesday in villages in the Songo area, but ECOMOG sources said the current offensive against rebel forces would keep them confined to the high ground of the peninsula. AFRC/RUF rebels re-entered the Ferry Terminal area of Kissy on Wednesday night, killing scores of people and mutilating many more, witnesses said. Minister of Health and Sanitation Dr. Ibrahim I. Tejan-Jalloh said rebels had hacked off the hands of at least 30 Freetown residents. Rachel Fallah, a Sierra Leonean employee of the United Nations Development Programme, told the Associated Press that the rebels had raped young girls and forced teen-age boys to carry goods looted from homes. She added that rebels were using women and children as human shields against the ECOMOG force.

    JANUARY 19: Fighting continued to the south and east of Freetown Tuesday, as a seven-day unilateral cease-fire declared by the RUF for Monday was ignored. ECOMOG escorted journalists to Kissy, which ECOMOG task force commander Brigadier-General Abu Ahmadu said was recaptured on Monday. London Times journalist Sam Kiley confirmed Tuesday that ECOMOG had forced the AFRC/RUF rebels from their strongholds in the Kissy and Clinetown area, and had recaptured the strategic Queen Elizabeth Quay. Kiley reported that fighting was continuing at the Ferry Terminal, about a quarter of a mile from the main dock, where the rebels continued to resist. Guinean ECOMOG troops were advancing through Waterloo, which was now in ECOMOG hands, he added. ECOMOG task force commander Brigadier-General Abu Ahmadu said the “worst fighting” was taking place in southeast Freetown, at Foulah Town and Maeba.

    The Agence France-Presse (AFP) said the current ECOMOG offensive began Monday near Hastings, along the main highway linking Freetown to the interior. Military sources told the AFP that ECOMOG intended to prevent the rebels from escaping along the highway into the interior, thus trapping them within the peninsula. The AFP also reported that an unknown number of rebels had retreated Monday into the hills around Freetown, near the western suburb of Aberdeen, toward Lumley, Goderich, and Lakka.London Times journalist Sam Kiley on Tuesday described scenes of devastation in Kissy, the scene of heavy fighting between the two sides. “Practically every single building in the Kissy suburb has been burned to the ground by the rebels, and at every street one crunches on spent cartridges,” he said. “There are very, very few people on the streets. The atmosphere is extremely tense. It’s overlooked by mountains where the rebels can look straight down into the town.

    But in the west of town the streets are actually quite full of people, until the curfew at 3:00 when they disappear.” Reuters correspondent Jeff Koinange wrote of “streets strewn with corpses and…burned-out houses, shops and churches,” adding that both Holy Trinity Church on Kissy Road and the Eastern Police Station had been destroyed. Kiley said that while ECOMOG was now in control of strategic sites in Freetown, the rebels maintained bases in the hills surrounding the capital. “My understanding is the Kamajors are operating in those areas that they’re familiar with, but in general Freetown is now very largely back in the hands of ECOMOG,” he said.

    Reuters reported that looters had replaced rebels at the port, “stealing food, drink, and anything else they could find” from warehouses, and, together with the threat of a rebel counter-attack, would further delay the arrival of emergency relief supplies. “We need security at the port for vessels and cargoes, we need trucks and diesel, and we need security for them to get to distribution points in the city,” one aid source said. “Before that we’ll need to send our own assessment teams in.” ECOMOG task force commander Brigadier-General Abu Ahmadu told reporters that Nigerian ships bring reinforcements and supplies were due to dock on Tuesday. “Any other ships waiting to use the port can do so as it is now safe,” he said. Ahmadu said Fourah Bay College, atop Mount Aureol, was also recaptured on Tuesday. He said the rebels had defended the “strategic site” with mortars and anti-aircraft guns.Telephone service has been restored to Freetown, ten days after the telephone system was disabled during heavy fighting in the capital between AFRC/RUF rebels and ECOMOG troops.

    18 January: The sound sustained heavy artillery and mortar fire erupted in Freetown’s western side Monday, indicating that AFRC/RUF rebels have penetrated the area for the first time since fighting began in the capital on January 6. The sounds of gunfire came mostly from the neighbourhood of Cockerill, the Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported, adding that “reliable sources” said the rebels were heading north along Lumley Road. A Nigerian ECOMOG officer said the rebels had regrouped in the hills overlooking Aberdeen and the Wilberforce Military Barracks before infiltrating the Westend.

    Clouds of smoke surrounded the barracks, the AFP said. An ECOMOG helicopter, its guns aimed at the ground, circled around Cockerill, where ECOMOG has its headquarters, making sorties to Lungi International Airport and a heliport at a nearby hotel. A Nigerian officer confirmed that fighting was still continuing at Hastings, east of Freetown. Earlier Monday, most of Freetown was reported calm, although residents reported hearing sporadic heavy gunfire overnight from Kissy, where AFRC/RUF rebels continued to offer resistance.

    Deputy Defence Minister Sam Hinga Norman, quoted Monday by BBC correspondent Prince Brima, said in respect of a cease-fire declared by the RUF that the government would not only insist on the cease-fire, but would prevent the rebels from moving into any areas they do not currently control. Norman said the government would observe the cease-fire as long as they were not attacked, but if the rebels did attack they would defend themselves. The unilateral cease-fire was to have taken effect Monday at 6:00 p.m. Witnesses were unable to confirm Monday whether it had gone into effect. ECOMOG has not committed to the cease-fire, but said it would step up its offensive against the rebels if the RUF did not stop firing. “If these rebels do not observe this cease-fire, we’re going all the way,” and ECOMOG officer said. Said Chief of Defence Staff Brigadier-General Maxwell Khobe: “The operational situation is progressing very fast. We have secured the Port of Kissy in the far east of the city.” RUF spokesman Omrie Golley repeated Monday that the RUF cease-fire was still scheduled to take effect at 6:00 p.m.

    “When the RUF gives an assurance, particularly in these instances, it sticks to them,” Golley said. He told the BBC he expected the government to use the cease-fire “to really think about their position and enter into a political dialogue to effect peace and reconciliation in our country and to join the process…We want peace, and we want ultimately national reconciliation in our country. I would urge the international community and President Kabbah to basically take this situation as, maybe, a step forward, a good step forward, as a window for peace.” Golley warned that “from past experience” the RUF was in a strong position militarily should the cease-fire fail. “But what we should not be doing is continually talking about military, military, military situation. What we should be talking about now is how we are going to bring peace and national reconciliation in our country,” he said. RUF commander Sam “Maskita” Bockarie said he thought ECOMOG would ignore the cease-fire because “they do not want to share control of Freetown” with the rebels. “We are ready… If they do not respect (the ceasefire), then we won’t either,” he said. “If we are attacked, we will reply.”

    17 January: Fighting between ECOMOG troops and AFRC/RUF rebels continued to the east of Freetown on Wednesday. London Times journalist Sam Kiley reported that the sounds of tanks and heavy artillery could be heard from around the university area, where “rebels are believed to be using a disused quarry and caves around there for cover.” The number of casualties in the city since the onset of the fighting has been conservatively estimated at 2,000, the BBC and the Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported on Sunday. The number is expected to rise on account of the number of injured, starving children, and because of the lack of medical care. Fires started by the rebels which have destroyed key installations, and reportedly even whole streets, coupled with damage from ECOMOG bombing raids, have left the city badly damaged.

    ECOMOG commander Major-General Timothy Shelpidi said Sunday that re-establishing complete control over Freetown was a matter of “a few days,” but he acknowledged that “urban warfare creates a lot of difficulties.” He said bands of RUF rebels, often teenagers carrying assault rifles, and snipers on rooftops posed a threat which ECOMOG needed “better and more efficient means” to counter. He said the Nigerian Alpha fighter jets used by ECOMOG were too rapid, and said the force required helicopters, light arms, more communications equipment, and a commitment from other ECOWAS countries to contribute troops to the ECOMOG force. “We’re now organising civil defence,” Shelpidi added. He said the rebels, who had been prevented from getting back to the interior of the country, were now in the forested hills overlooking Freetown. “The worst thing is that the rebels change their clothes all the time,” said a Nigerian major. “One minute, they’re on the street in jeans and t-shirts, like you or me; the next they’re in stolen ECOMOG battle dress.”

    Freetown was reported calm on Sunday morning, Reuters reported. Saturday night was reported generally quiet, although distant bombardments could occasionally be heard from the east. The news service described Freetown as a “disaster area,” with bodies littering the streets. At Connaught Hospital, a few local doctors with almost no medicine attempted to care for the sick and wounded, while dogs and vultures disturbed bodies piled in the hospital driveway. “The hospital is in a dire situation right now. There are over 80 war wounded requiring all kinds of medical help, and we just do not have the means to assist them,” said surgeon Dr Johnston Taylor. “There are bodies littered everywhere, unattended as well. We are appealing for any kind of help and assistance that we can get.” Most aid agencies evacuated their personnel to Conakry following the AFRC/RUF rebel attack on Freetown. Five expatriate staff of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), including a Dutch battle surgeon, were expelled by ECOMOG last week without explanation. On Friday, ECOMOG ordered non-government organisations and United Nations agencies to hand over their communications equipment, further hampering humanitarian operations.

    JANUARY 14: ECOMOG has enlisted the help of Nigeria’s 72nd Airborne Regiment to help fight AFRC/RUF rebel forces who have withdrawn to the hills around Freetown, according to a “senior source” in ECOMOG. “Last time we made the mistake of not going all the way, this time we’re going to finish the job,” the source said. He said the regiment would arrive in Freetown on Thursday afternoon.

    11 JAN: There was renewed heavy fighting between ECOMOG troops and AFRC/RUF rebels in the central part of Freetown on Monday, Reuters reported, quoting witnesses. The BBC and Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported that there had been heavy casualties on both sides, and said rebels had used non-combatants as human shields, resulting in civilian casualties. At Lungi International Airport, numerous ECOMOG casualties were brought in, while journalists and a pilot who had flown over the city reported seeing many uniformed bodies lying in the streets. “There is continued shelling and gunfire from the central district. It started around 9.00 a.m.,” one witness said.

    BBC West Africa correspondent Mark Doyle reported that the rebels had set fire to Freetown. “Whole streets have been burnt down,” he said. “The United Nations military headquarters has been burnt down, the roof collapsed. As a result it’s completely destroyed. Other buildings, government buildings, have been set on fire by the rebels, and it seems that what they can’t have they’re going to destroy.” A local journalist who walked on Monday morning through parts of the city behind ECOMOG lines, including Tengbeh Town, Brookfields, Congo Cross, and Pademba Road, said many houses had been burned. From a distance, he said, he could see the telephone exchange (SLET) and the City Hall on fire, while a thick cloud of smoke hung over the city, obscuring some buildings.

    The ECOMOG force said Monday it was gradually regaining control of the city. While claims of who controls various parts of Freetown are difficult to confirm independently, Doyle said ECOMOG appeared to be making advances. “I do know though that the Nigerian-led forces have entered an area, quite an important area of the city, where they weren’t yesterday, and the Nigerians say that they are advancing, and that certainly does appear to be the case,” he said. ECOMOG commander Major-General Timothy Shelpidi said his troops had secured the port and State House, and were pushing the rebels southeast towards “Kissy, Wellington, and Calaba Town.” The AFP reported that Nigerian Alpha fighter jets made continuous sorties from Lungi on Monday, while helicopters ferried in ECOMOG and Kamajor reinforcements and evacuated casualties. The government’s spokesman, Minister of Information, Communication, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer, claimed that ECOMOG had retaken the central part of the city reached the eastern parts of the capital. “They should have gone past the Cline Town roundabout and probably are now in the Kissy area,” he said. Spencer acknowledged that ECOMOG had met stiff resistance from rebel forces at Kingtom, Brookfields, Tengbeh Town, and Pademba Road.

    9 JAN: Witnesses reported Saturday seeing large numbers of wounded soldiers being evacuated by helicopter from Freetown to the ECOMOG base at Lungi International Airport. “I saw 60 or 70 wounded ECOMOG men evacuated. They looked like fresh injuries,” one witness told Reuters. The casualties provided evidence of heavy fighting between ECOMOG troops and rebel fighters for control of the capital. Nigerian Alpha fighter jets took off from Lungi to attack rebel positions. Minister of Information, Communication, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer told the BBC that an ECOMOG counter-offensive had made advances in Freetown Saturday. “So as of now, ECOMOG troops are in the center of the city, clearing the rebels out of that part of the city. In fact they’re already moving toward the eastern part of the city,” he said. He added that “the rebels are in disarray. They’re fleeing.” Spencer said he was unable to give an assessment of civilian casualties in the fighting. “I don’t think it has been high, because ECOMOG has tried to be very careful. But the casualties are those caused really be rebels, because they’ve gone to knock at people’s houses, pulled people out of their houses, shot them dead.”

    News accounts have emphasised civilian casualties resolting from bombardments by Nigerian Alpha jet fighters attached to the ECOMOG force. Spencer denied, however, that the government was planning a final counter-offensive to defeat the rebels. “The government has said we are prepared to adopt the multi-track or dual-track approach: dialogue and military force,” he said.News agencies gave varying reports of the fighting on Saturday. The AFP, quoting witnesses, spoke of a “precarious calm,” in Freetown Saturday morning, with deserted streets and few direct clashes between rebel and pro-government troops. “(Friday) night was quiet, and ECOMOG’s Alpha jets were not seen early Saturday,” the AFP said.

    The Associated Press (AP) reported that artillery fire pounded Freetown Friday night and Saturday morning, and said heavy street fighting took place Saturday near Wilberforce Barracks and in Congo Town. The AP described Nigerian ECOMOG jets screaming over Freetown, “firing rockets into rebel-held territory.” The report said Alpha jets circled the capital for about an hour searching for groups of rebel fighters, while platoons of ECOMOG soldiers patrolled near-empty streets in the West End and artillery was fired at rebel positions in the hills to the south. Reuters described smoke rising from burning buildings in the east of the city after strikes by ECOMOG Alpha jets “which screamed low over the dilapidated city.”

    The Deutsche Presse-Agentur (DPA) said rebels and pro-government troops engaged in heavy fighting on Saturday, with ECOMOG claiming successes on Saturday evening. Artillery fire pounded Freetown through Friday night and there were unconfirmed reports Saturday that Wilberforce Barracks was under attack by AFRC/RUF rebels. Reuters reported that smoke could be seen billowing from burning buildings in the rebel-held areas of the capital. “We can see burning buildings in the eastern district but the rest of the city looks calm,” a Reuters television journalist said. “A handful of people are stepping out cautiously to assess the damage in the streets. There is no traffic on the roads.” The Deutsche Presse-Agentur (DPA) quoted witnesses as saying that rebel forces were firing on Wilberforce Barracks and that ECOMOG troops stationed there were returning fire. The DPA quoted residents as saying that numerous houses were burning in the rebel-held east of the city, and noted “partly unconfirmed reports” that Kamajor militiamen were engaging the RUF in street battles.

    6 JAN: AFRC/RUF rebel forces battled their way into Freetown on Wednesday, and according to many reports have seized State House and burned down the nearby Nigerian Embassy, the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) headquarters, and the capital’s main police station. Rebel fighters, many carrying assault rifles, roamed through abandoned streets in the city centre. “Districts in the Eastend of Freetown are under control of the rebels. We can see them from our windows patrolling the streets on foot and in looted vehicles,” one resident told Reuters. Others reported that bodies were lying in the streets while rebels prepared defensive barricades.

    BBC correspondent Winston Ojukutu-Macaulay described the fighting: “The firing at one stage, the shelling at one stage, was actually very heavy,” he said. “They burnt down the CID, they burnt down Eastend Police, and a popular place called Picadilly at St John has also been destroyed.” He confirmed reports that rebel forces had captured Pademba Road Prison and released the prisoners, many of them former members of the AFRC government convicted of treason or awaiting trial on treason charges, along with surrendered solders of the former Sierra Leone Army whom the government feared posed a security risk. “Yes, yes, that was one of their first actions when they entered Freetown,” he said. “When they came into Freetown they simply marched into Pademba Road Prison with no resistance from ECOMOG and set free all of those detained there.”At 2:30 p.m. the BBC spoke to a “Colonel Sesay” who claimed to be in State House where, he said, the rebels had “overthrown the SLPP government.” State House is not currently used for governmental affairs, which are conducted from the “The Lodge” at Hill Station. Sesay said AFRC/RUF fighters had met no resistance from ECOMOG as they entered the city, and he claimed that rebel forces, which he put at “15,000 armed men,” controlled nearly all of Freetown. He told the BBC that the rebels were engaged in a battle for Wilberforce Barracks. “I can’t talk it to you now, the battle is going on. Someone has just told me they have captured, they have captured, the main office, that is the holding room and the guard room,” he said.

    Sesay’s claims were sharply disputed by Minister of Information, Communication, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer. “This fellow is lying,” he said. “And he also said they’ve captured Wilberforce Barracks. That was a blatant lie. It’s a lie. I’ve been to Wilberforce Barracks, I’ve been to State House. And I’m actually talking to you now from Wilberforce Barracks. I’ve been to State House earlier in the day. They are not there.” Spencer acknowledged that the rebels held parts of Freetown, including the Pademba Road area, Brookfields, and Ferry Junction. He claimed many of the rebels were hiding, because they were being pursued, and predicted that the rebel onslaught would be ended before nightfall. “You see they are going to be thrown out completely, not just from Freetown. In the areas which they attacked, in Makeni, the northern part, they are also going to be thrown out…You see, the real issue is that the people of Sierra Leone have said they want a democratic government. Nobody should think that they can come and overthrow a government by force of arms and take control of the country — that is out of the question!”

    BBC correspondent Winston Ojukutu-Macaulay confirmed that rebel forces had reached the city centre, although he could not say whether they had occupied State House. “I cannot again confirm whether they are in fact in charge of State House,” he said. “What I can tell you is that they are occupying several houses very close to State House. I have spoken to one or two friends of mine who have called me on the phone telling me that the rebels have actually occupied their homes, which is just about a stone’s throw to State House.” Ojukutu-Macaulay said it appeared fighting was going on for control of Wilberforce Barracks. “By the sound of the shelling, I think that either ECOMOG is trying to push them away or the junta and the rebels are trying to force their way into the barracks.” The BBC correspondent noted that the rebels had met very little resistance when they attacked, “and that has taken a lot of people by surprise here in Freetown.”A source in Freetown reported Wednesday night that Wilberforce Barracks had not come under attack. He said the fighting which was reported took place at Congo Cross Bridge, near the stadium, when ECOMOG troops clashed with rebels to prevent them from releasing surrendered soldiers. “The barracks are safe, nothing is going on,” he said by telephone from near the barracks themselves. He added that ECOMOG troops were pursuing rebels in Freetown.

    RUF commander Col. Sam “Maskita” Bockarie, claiming to be “just within around Freetown” said he was confronting ECOMOG with a force of 30,000 men, but told the BBC that ECOMOG soldiers should “stay calm, cease fire” so that the rebels could “negotiate their repatriation.” He said his fighters had the ECOMOG troops at Wilberforce Barracks surrounded, but that the rebels were holding off on attacking the ECOMOG base at Lungi. “Lungi Airport is just an outlet, that’s why we decided to just leave it open for awhile for those foreign nationals to leave. As soon as they leave, we’ll be ready to take Lungi,” he said. Bockarie warned that members of the civilian government had 24 hours to leave the country or turn themselves over to the rebels. “Anyone who is caught after that, he is going to be dealt with militarily,” he said. The rebel leader said he thought President Kabbah had already left the capital, a claim disputed by Minister of Information, Communication, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer and Minister of Finance, Development and Economic Planning Dr. James O.C. Jonah.

    In a separate interview with Reuters, Bockarie said his forces had captured most of Freetown, including the broadcasting station, but that fighting was continuing at Waterloo. “We even have the seaport. Fighting is at Waterloo now, and we are trying to get rid of the elements (of ECOMOG) that are putting up stiff resistance there,” he said. Bockarie said the rebels would agree to a ceasefire once RUF leader Corporal Foday Sankoh were handed over to them. Sankoh was reportedly transferred from Pademba Road Prison to an undisclosed location prior to the rebel advance. “If Sankoh is released and handed over to us we are ready to cease fire. And we will see to it that we can secure the repatriation of these Nigerian soldiers, because they are our brothers,” he said, adding that “the leader will tell the nation what next.”

    Bockarie appealed to Nigerian leader General Abdulsalami Abubakar to release Sankoh to the RUF. “We are appealing to our big brother, his Excellency General Abubakar, we are appealing to him to instruct his commanders to turn our leader over to me,” Bockarie said.Nigerian leader General Abusalam Abubakar, ECOWAS Executive Lansana Kouyate, and services chiefs of the Nigerian Armed Forces met Wednesday to discuss the security situation in Sierra Leone. There was no word on details of their discussions.Sierra Leone’s High Commissioner to Nigeria, Joseph Blell, was in Abuja Wednesday to hold consultations with senior Nigerian officials. Blell said he hoped to meet with defence and government officials on Thursday to discuss the situation in Freetown. He described reports as “scanty” and “confused”, but said he hoped to discuss possibilities for action with Nigerian officials.ECOMOG officials maintained Wednesday that they were in control of Freetown. “We do have this under control and there is no way they can hold their ground,” said a Nigerian ECOMOG officer at Lungi.

    Radio Democracy 98.1 broadcast only music for much of the morning, but Minister of Information, Communication, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer has made frequent broadcasts since then. “ECOMOG will deal with the rebels decisively,” he said. Residents reported that rebels held the east end and parts of central Freetown while ECOMOG units patrolled the west end of the capital. Radio Democracy 98.1 announced that the curfew has been moved up an hour, so that residents must now be off the streets by 6:30 p.m. instead of 7:30. “Anybody found in the streets will be shot on sight,” the radio warned, adding “ECOMOG is warning all civilians behind rebel lines to heed this warning and not to get involved with the rebels.” Minister of Trade, Industry and Transportation Alie Bangura said that ECOMOG troops had been hampered by fleeing residents. “When the rebels tried to penetrate Allen Town, many civilians took to the streets. That is why it became difficult for ECOMOG to prevent the rebels from entering,” he said. “If ECOMOG encounters any group in streets, whether civilian or rebel, it will open fire,” he warned.

    United Nations personnel left Freetown on Wednesday as the security situation in the capital deteriorated. Members of the United Nations Military Observer Force (UNOMSIL), along with U.N. Special Representative to Sierra Leone Francis Okelo, left Freetown by air from Lungi International Airport. Okelo confirmed that their destination was Conakry, Guinea. “We can’t guarantee the security here anymore,” he said. Asked about the state of fighting between ECOMOG troops and rebels in Freetown, military observer Col. Andre Bobylev replied, “It’s difficult to say. It’s war.” A spokesman for the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) said seven motorised boats had arrived in Conakry on Wednesday carrying 120 persons fleeing the fighting.

    BBC West Africa correspondent Mark Doyle reported Wednesday that several government ministers, including Minister of Finance, Development and Economic Planning Dr. James O.C. Jonah, were at the ECOMOG base at Lungi International Airport. “I’m told by people here at the airport that there are several ministers,” Doyle said. “I don’t know if they’ve taken refuge or what, but this is obviously one of the safest places in Sierra Leone for the government for the time being. And yes, Dr. Jonah is certainly here, but I wouldn’t like to characterize him as taking refuge. But he is putting a very confident face on things.”AFRC/RUF rebel forces entered Freetown from the Eastend District early Wednesday and pushed to within a mile of the city centre before being turned back by ECOMOG troops, Reuters reported on Wednesday. A two-hour barrage on the Eastend beginning at 1:30 a.m. sent thousands of residents fleeing at dawn toward the center of the capital, Reuters said, adding that the sound of bombardments subsided after two hours but began again sporadically.

    The Deutsche Presse-Agentur reported that the latest fighting began an hour after midnight, and said the rebels which included soldiers of the disbanded Sierra Leone Army engaged ECOMOG troops in heavy fighting. The BBC cited reports that the rebels were moving in from hills overlooking Freetown. ECOMOG used artillery and Alpha fighter jets in an attempt to halt the rebel advance. The rebels burned down a police station and briefly broadcast from a private radio station until an ECOMOG bombardment put it off the air. Radio Democracy 98.1 warned residents to keep off the streets, but said ECOMOG was in “complete control.” It promised an announcement on the situation shortly. Minister of Information, Communication, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer, in a BBC interview, told people to stay at home. “Anyone found on the streets will be considered as a rebel,” he said. “Rebels have entered the east end of town and there is a bit of panic…The situation is very serious but it is going to be dealt with.” Spencer said ECOMOG troops had found it difficult to engage the rebels because they had been mixing with the crowd. He said the government had no plans to flee the capital, but called developments “a disaster for Sierra Leone and the Sierra Leone people,” adding: “Apparently this is happening and the rest of the world is standing by and watching.”

    BBC West Africa correspondent Mark Doyle said the latest fighting in Freetown did not necessarily mean the rebels have broken through the government’s main defences, or that the government itself was threatened. He said that strategically important points in the city, such as the airport, were being defended by thousands of government and ECOMOG troops.Members of the United Nations Security Council on Wednesday condemned outside support for rebels fighting the government in Sierra Leone, Council President Ambassador Celso Amorim said on Wednesday. Amorim said Council members expressed their strong support for President Kabbah and for the efforts of ECOWAS and its military arm, ECOMOG, to bring peace to Sierra Leone. “Council members strongly condemned penetration of rebel forces in Freetown and also condemned the support for the rebels from abroad,” said Amorim. “Council Members strongly condemned rebel activities in Freetown. They expressed support for diplomatic efforts, particularly regional ones, to restore peace and security in Sierra Leone.The British Foreign Office has condemned rebel efforts to overthrow the Sierra Leone government, while urging the 50 estimated British nationals remaining in Sierra Leone to leave as soon as they could safely do so. “We condemn the rebel efforts to overthrow by force the legitimate government of Sierra Leone and atrocities that they have committed against innocent civilians,” a Foreign Office statement read. “We will work with the international community to restore peace and democracy to Sierra Leone.” The statement added that Foreign Secretary Robin Cook had been in touch with “key allies” to rally support for the government.

    5 JAN: More than 100 AFRC/RUF rebels were killed Sunday in bombing raids by Nigerian Alpha jet fighters which bombed their mountain cave stronghold in Mankey, near Hastings, an ECOMOG officer said on Tuesday. “We flattened the cave and killed more than 100 rebels on Sunday,” said the officer, who was based at the Jui military garrison. Civilian survivors of Sunday’s rebel attack on Hastings and Jui said ECOMOG killed more than 200 rebel fighters. Reporters who were allowed into Hastings on Tuesday said that the rebel force, thought to have numbered more than 1,000, had completely overrun the town. ECOMOG sources said that many of the rebels wore civilian clothing and had infiltrated past Hastings.

    A witness told the Agence France-Presse (AFP) that after the first attack on Hastings, the rebels had split into two groups, one comprised of renegade Sierra Leone Army soldiers, and the other of RUF fighters.United Nations sources said Tuesday that AFRC/RUF rebels still control Makeni, which they captured from ECOMOG last week. “The rebels have conscripted thousands of able-bodied men and women in Makeni and are training them to fight,” a U.N. source said. “They are patrolling Makeni in jeeps and on foot, stopping people from fleeing the town.” Makeni residents who have reached Freetown have given accounts of summary executions of those believed to support the civilian government of President Kabbah. “They have shot dead government workers, local politicians and business people,” one witness told Reuters.

    4 JAN: AFRC/RUF rebels attacked Hastings Air Field early Monday morning, according to ECOMOG spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Jimoh Okunlola. “The rebels attacked Hastings at about 3:00 a.m. this morning, but we have now beaten them back into the hills around the town,” Okunlola said. He added that ECOMOG, backed by the Civil Defence Forces, was mopping up the area around Hastings. Okunlola said “dozens” of rebels were killed in the attack. He gave no casualty figures for pro-government forces. The rebels attacked their air field on December 31, burning ten buildings including, according to Liberian Star Radio, the newly-refurbished police training school and several private residences. Two planes used for shuttle flights were also reportedly destroyed. The fighting closed the airport, which had been due to reopen on Monday.

    Renewed fighting between ECOMOG and AFRC/RUF rebels is taking place at Calaba Town, BBC correspondent Winston Ojukutu-Macaulay reported on Monday. “Details are very hard to come by from ECOMOG, but when I drove down to Calaba Town this afternoon, which is now the frontline, I was told by both eyewitnesses and police officials that the fighting started round about 10 p.m. last night,” Ojukutu-Macaulay said. “When I contacted ECOMOG and the Minister of Information (Dr. Julius Spencer) when I returned back to Freetown, I was told that ECOMOG and the civil defense forces are on the offensive at Pawpaw Valley, which is 16 miles to Freetown, and also at Miami Hills, another location very close to Hastings. They say that ECOMOG is on the offensive.” He quoted ECOMOG officials at Calaba Town as saying that ECOMOG was in control of Hastings and Waterloo, but that the rebels were off the road in the bush.

    Ojukutu-Macaulay said reports reaching Freetown on Sunday night indicated that ECOMOG was now in control of Port Loko after four days of heavy fighting.ECOMOG has launched a counter-offensive against AFRC/RUF rebels occupying the town of Lunsar, U.N. Special Representative to Sierra Leone Francis Okelo said on Monday. The BBC reported that Nigerian Alpha jets strafed rebel positions around the town.ECOMOG tightened security in and around Freetown Monday as schools reopened in the capital, the Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported. “We have effectively thrown a security dragnet around the capital and residents need not have any fear,” an ECOMOG official said.

    ECOMOG troops are reportedly targeting the area of Kossoh Town, where they believe AFRC/RUF rebel fighters are trapped and cut off from their rear base. Kamajor militiamen are posted in the hills near Charlotte, Bathurst, Regent, and Gloucester, “searching vehicles and combing the bush for rebels,” the AFP reported. The road between Freetown and Masiaka, closed the past two days because of rebel attacks, is now open to traffic truck drivers said on Monday.Nigerian ECOMOG troops have retaken Port Loko and halted the AFRC/RUF rebel advance toward Freetown, an ECOMOG spokesman said Monday. The Deutsche Presse-Agentur reported that ECOMOG troops are now in a position to mount a counter-offensive to drive rebel forces from other towns they occupy north and west of the capital.

    1 January: ECOMOG troops have driven AFRC/RUF rebels from Port Loko, an ECOMOG spokesman said on Friday. “We inflicted heavy casualties on the rebels in our air and ground operations to flush them out of Port Loko,” the spokesman said. “Our war jets massacred them as they moved truckloads of more men to reinforce the positions they had taken in the town.” Minister of Information, Communication, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer and residents who fled the fighting confirmed that ECOMOG was in control of Port Loko with the help of thousands of Civil Defence Forces militiamen.

    Spencer said Lunsar was still under rebel control.Chief of Defence Staff Brigadier-General Maxwell Khobe said Friday that many soldiers of the former Sierra Leone Army had defected to the rebels, while others had shown little willingness to fight. “Apart from the outright betrayal, others had demonstrated some high degree of cowardice in battle, leaving the allied forces, ECOMOG and the civil defense forces to do battle against the AFRC/RUF rebel fighters,” Khobe told soldiers at Lungi who were being retrained to join a new national army. “The episode has posed a great challenge to the existence of the Sierra Leone army in the near future, Khobe said. “”It would require extraordinary effort … to redeem the image of the Sierra Leone soldiers. Those of us who are committed to peace in Sierra Leone are totally embarrassed.”

    31 December 1998: ECOMOG troops repelled an AFRC/RUF rebel attack Thursday on their military barracks near the garrison town of Hastings, according to an ECOMOG spokesman. Residents fleeing the town reported that the rebels had attacked overnight, and said they had also attacked the Hastings Air Field. The spokesman said ECOMOG was forced to abandon its frontline trenches at Hastings during the initial onslaught. At least 40 persons were killed in the fighting, he added.

    Residents said the fighting had stopped by mid-morning, but that ECOMOG soldiers later shelled hills around the town.The fighting at Hastings followed attacks Wednesday on Waterloo and Lunsar. Minister of Information, Communication, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer told a news conference Thursday that ECOMOG had driven the rebels back from Waterloo. “ECOMOG troops killed a lot of rebels in their attack yesterday on Waterloo,” he said. He said the rebels had just attacked an ECOMOG barracks near Kossoh Town. “The infiltration of rebels into the Peninsular area is a cause for concern,” Spencer said, but told reporters that those who had attacked Kossoh Town and Waterloo were cut off from the rear and trapped.

    BBC West Africa Correspondent Mark Doyle said hundreds of pro-government militiamen, armed with shotguns, knives, and spears, were massing for a probable new operation against the rebels. He quoted government sources as saying a counter-offensive would begin soon. Spencer repeated assurances that the rebels posed no military threat to Freetown, and he said they were mounting attacks near the capital in order to create a negative psychological effect on the population. Spencer dismissed as “disinformation” a statement by United Nations Special Envoy Francis Okelo that the northern half of Sierra Leone was under rebel control, but conceded that an area in the centre of the country was held by the insurgents. He said about five towns in the north were under rebel control: Lunsar, Makeni, Binkolo, Kamabai, and Kabumbe. He said ECOMOG controlled Kabala, all of Kambia District, parts of Port Loko District, and all of Tonkolili and Koinadugu Districts. He said there was no rebel activity in the south, while in the east the rebels were still holding Koidu and had tried to attack Daru.Spencer noted that the rebels had mounted attacks on Port Loko and Lunsar on Wednesday, and he reported that Lunsar had fallen. A “senior ECOMOG commander” quoted by the Associated Press denied that Lunsar was under rebel control, but he acknowledged that rebel forces were in the area. Spencer told reporters that Makeni was also in rebel hands.

    Aid workers and “sources close to” the Civil Defence Forces (CDF) militia told Reuters, however, that the rebels had pulled out of Makeni and that the CDF was now in control. CDF sources said the rebels left Makeni in three groups, one heading for their eastern base, one moving toward Lunsar, and one going in the direction of Port Loko. Heavy fighting raged between ECOMOG troops and AFRC/RUF rebels Thursday for control of Port Loko, which has been mostly deserted by its civilian population. The town came under attack by hundreds of rebel fighters on Wednesday. “Our jet fighters bombed their positions in the town,” an ECOMOG spokesman said. Journalist Emmanuel Turay, who fled Port Loko on Thursday, said rebels and ECOMOG troops held different parts of the town, and that both sides were firing mortars. “The death toll is not clear but there are bodies lying in the streets,” he said. Spencer said the rebels had attacked Port Loko, but had been turned back.

    The Agence France-Presse (AFP) quoted residents of nearby villages who reported hearing prolonged bombardments throughout the night directed at areas of suspected rebel concentration.A spokesman for RUF commander Sam “Maskita” Bockarie claimed Thursday that the rebels had captured Segbwema and that heavy fighting was going on at Daru. Spencer said ECOMOG and the Civil Defence Forces were moving towards the Sierra Leone-Liberia border to seal off the area. He said ECOMOG maintained a strong presence in the towns of Zimmi, Gufor, and Wonde. “There is the possibility of the war ending militarily,” Spencer said. “But this does not mean that if the rebels laid down their arms, we would not talk peace.” Kamajor sources were quoted as saying that the area between the Moa River and the Liberian border are now fully under the control of the Civil Defence Forces. ECOMOG troops closed roads from Freetown to Waterloo and Hastings on Thursday to prevent rebel infiltrators from reaching the capital by mingling with fleeing civilians, an ECOMOG spokesman said. Police in Freetown announced Thursday that about 300 civilians had been detained as suspected infiltrators. Nigeria sent further reinforcements to Freetown on Thursday.

    The Nigerian government has reportedly sent more than 9,000 troops since the weekend, bringing the total strength of the ECOMOG force to around 19,000. An ECOMOG spokesman said Wednesday that additional battalions would continue to arrive from Nigeria, and that ECOMOG’s strength could reach 20,000 by the end of the week. He said that of the other ECOWAS countries which had promised to send troops, the only ones to arrive were 200 from Ghana who had had transferred from Liberia in the week. According to estimates reported by Reuters, rebel strength could exceed 20,000 while the Civil Defence Forces militia, made up of various hunters’ militias, numbers about 30,000.

    29 December: 1,000 additional Nigerian soldiers arrived in Sierra Leone on Tuesday, bringing the total strength of the ECOMOG force to over 14,000, according to an ECOMOG spokesman. “This batch of 1,000 men brings the total of Nigerian troops flown into Freetown to 3,000 since Sunday,” he said. “Several thousand more men will be flown in within the week.” The Agence France-Presse (AFP), quoting “reliable sources”, said ECOMOG had some 9,500 troops in Sierra Leone, 7,000 of them Nigerian, prior to the arrival of additional Nigerian soldiers on Sunday. Nigeria has also brought in three warplanes, increasing the number operating in the country to at least seven. A senior Ghanaian Defence Ministry official said ECOMOG troops were now concentrating on defending Freetown. “We have sent some men and officers to help beef up what is already on the ground,” he said.

    27 December: ECOMOG troops fought AFRC/RUF rebels on Sunday for control of Makeni, an ECOMOG official said in Freetown. He said about 50 rebels were killed Saturday when Nigerian Alpha jet fighters attached to the ECOMOG force bombed rebel positions in the town. The official said he expected the planes to return to take action against take action against the rebels, who had regrouped at Makeni Teachers College. The college, which is on the outskirts of the city, is close to ECOMOG’s main military base in northern Sierra Leone. “Most of the civilians in Makeni and the surrounding area have fled so we are only left face to face with the rebels,” the official said. Communications links to Makeni have been cut, and no independent assessment of the situation in Makeni could be made, Reuters reported. Makeni residents who reached Freetown on Saturday confirmed that ECOMOG was in control, although some reported that the rebels were in parts of the town or that ECOMOG was defending the military barracks.

    RUF commander Sam “Maskita” Bockarie also made claims that his fighters had captured the town, saying Saturday that the rebels had killed 60 ECOMOG soldiers and dragged their bodies through the streets “as an example to everyone.” Bockarie, who has threatened an AFRC/RUF rebel assault on Freetown, called on President Kabbah to resign. “Failure of Kabbah to resign, and we will start bombarding Freetown and will not stop until victory is won,” Bockarie told the Associated Press.Hundreds of people have reached Freetown, saying they were forced to flee rebel attacks between Thursday and Saturday on the fishing village of Tombo, just south of the capital.

    DECEMBER 24: AFRC/RUF rebels came within striking distance of Freetown before being repelled by ECOMOG troops, the BBC reported on Thursday. It added that ECOMOG re-established its positions in Waterloo on Wednesday. “A number of young people were kidnapped by the rebels and several houses in Waterloo burned down in the fighting,” the report said, adding that the capital remained tense. Freetown was reported calm on Thursday morning.

    DECEMBER 23:: ECOMOG has increased its troop strength in Freetown in the face of a renewed rebel threat on the capital. “More than 1,000 troops were flown in yesterday,” an ECOMOG officer said on Wednesday. The Nigerian reinforcements were said to have arrived at Lungi International Airport at dawn on Wednesday. Overnight, the sound of artillery and small arms fire could be heard around the capital. According to Reuters, many shops and businesses did not open on Wednesday. Authorities in Freetown said Tuesday’s attack on Waterloo had killed one civilian and wounded several others. ECOMOG said the city had now been cleared of all “rebel elements.” Liberian Star Radio put the death toll from the Waterloo attack at 30 people killed and several others wounded. 15 houses were burned down, the report said, quoting eyewitnesses.

    Minister of Information, Communications, Tourism and Culture Dr. Julius Spencer, in a broadcast over Radio Democracy, said a bombardment heard in Freetown early Wednesday morning was a pre-emptive strike. Spencer said ECOMOG had received information that the rebels were descending from Mount Aureol and were planning to enter Freetown via Fourah Bay College. “The area was then hit with maximum force to ensure that if the reports were true, the enemy would be destroyed,” Spencer said, adding that after several hours of bombardment, “It turned out that nobody was there.” Spencer advised people not panic or to leave their homes at the sound of gunfire, because such pre-emptive attacks were “likely to occur from time to time as ECOMOG is committed and concerned that nothing should go wrong particularly in the city. So if such information is received, ECOMOG will take decisive action.”

    21 December: ECOMOG troops launched an artillery attack on rebel positions at Sumbuya and Songo, 30 to 40 miles east of Freetown, ECOMOG spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Jimoh Okunlola said on Monday. The sound of mortars and machine gun fire could be heard intermittently from the outskirts of Freetown throughout Sunday night.

    • BEEG EAGLE your plan to lure people into your website http://forum.cybereagles.com/ isn’t working. Nobody will read such a long posting like theone above.

      • As a matter of fact, THAT is a web forum which has about 90% of its members living in Europe and North America. 90% of them are Nigerians and there are Africans from everywhere discussing out there including Kenyans(using Major General Ogolo as moniker)and “The Ugandan”.

        In the light of the fact that I am based in LAGOS, it can HARDLY be my website. I am just a FLOOR MEMBER there and I have been discussing with savvy Africans and Nigerians out there. My weblog ONLY went into action in APRIL 2010.

        http://www.beegeagle.wordpress.com

        Don’t mix things up, brother.

        As for the live feed from ECOMOG, you have already read through it as we write this, so stop playing the hypocrite.
        Have a blessed day and step up your game.

        PS: It is unfortunate that someone out here is blotting out my posts…the very ones which go to the heart of your questions. I hate to imagine that an old boy such as my friend Risasi could be so intolerant. Act your age, man.

        My last two posts had to do the fact that your very best East African generals such as the UNAMID Force Commander, Rwandan Lt General Patrick Nyamvumba was trained at the Nigerian Defence Academy while Uganda’s General James Kazini trained at our National War College. That is just for your info as you prepare to drill the trainer himself on tactics. I also set forth the FACT that a battalion of the Nigerian Army it was which retrained the TZ Army after it was disbanded in 1964. Even the pioneer crop of Zimbabwe National Army cadets trained in 1980 were trained at the Nigerian Defence Academy. They are today’s Zimbabwean generals.

        Someone edited all of that because the truth stung so hard. What a pathetic joke.

  200. For the bush ones who think that Sandhurst is on the next planet, here is a link to view. It is from the 158th Sovereign’s Parade held on Friday 12th December 2008. THE BEST FOREIGN CADET WAS AGAIN A NIGERIAN, beating KENYA’S
    Charles Mulalya Makau (the same Kenya which know so much about tactics from behind desks?) and the FEARED Rwanda’s Steven Semwaga.

    http://forum.cybereagles.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=140686&start=230

  201. PS i have a diploma BEEG EAGLE and am not even an officer yet!!!

    • Well, it takes nothing away from the fact that the ONLY officer-training academy across Anglophone Africa which is awards degree and trains officers for FIVE YEARS is the Nigerian Defence Academy. It was a diploma-awarding institution between 1964 and 1984. In 1985, the NDA became a degree-awarding institution. As we speak, the NDA even awards postgraduate degrees. You guys seem not to know what goes on beyond your frontiers, I imagine. Go

      The Kenya Armed Forces Training College train cadets for 24- 30 months max. As far as I know, the qualification which Kenyan cadets pass out with therefrom is equivalent to a GCE A’Level or OND. Egerton University moderate the academic content of officer cadet training at AFTC and ALL that it leads to is the award of a sub-degree qualification.

  202. OK. Your officer cadets are EVEN trained for only 20 months less than 2 years whereas Nigerian cadets train for FIVE years! I wonder what you guys are actually feeling cool about. Anyway, ignorance is BLISS

    KENYA
    http://www.mod.go.ke/?page_link=kma

  203. Do you know what the qualifications for cadet training are in Kenya? A university degree is basic, that diploma from AFTC is a POSTGRADUATE diploma. Its only because of financial constraints that the army stopped sponsoring cadets for university degrees. Those degrees awarded at NDA are not military related, save for a bachelors in military science. The rest are regular arts degrees. Our universities churn out hundreds of thousands of graduates per year. Those choosen for officer cadet training are the cream of the crop. Best brains in Africa in all fields.
    Tell me something are you uniform or do you just pluck out info from the web? Coz like you said ignorance IS bliss.

  204. That amounts to BLATANT FALSEHOOD. The ab initio training which is accorded to your cadets is no postgraduate qualification. It is a sub-degree diploma and thereafter, the cadets(post-commissioning) are taken through undergraduate studies by DISTANCE LEARNING. Before they attend Staff College, they should have become graduates.

    In that way, the Staff College training becomes like a PG diploma. Finally, upon attendance at the apex National Defence College, they now justifiable end up with a Masters degree.

    As for NDA, YOU ARE SO WRONG. The NDA runs undergraduate and postgraduate degree programs in the following and MORE(for PG studies)

    Econs and Mgt Sc ( Army Finance Corps, Accts, Admin)
    Political Science and Defence Studies (read the name)
    Geography (Meterology and Navigation)
    Chemistry (chemical warfare)
    Biology (biological warfare)
    Physics (engineering support)
    Computer Science (IT skills)
    Mechanical Engineering (Army E & ME
    Civil Engineering (Field and Combat Engineers)
    Electrical/Electronics Engineering (Army E & ME)

    So much for not being military-related. What are you on about really? Dude, let it go.

  205. So what are you guys upto with all this discussion about degrees and such like things in the military? What are you actually comparing?
    I don’t see where all this crap about education is leading to.
    We in Kenya are adequately trained and we don’t care what others think . What we have is sufficient for us and our needs.
    How is Nigeria supposed to threaten us?
    BEEGEAGLE, your postings are unnecessarily long. I lose taste reading such long scripts. Please shorten them.

  206. BEEG EAGLE,
    I have read your responses to various members above and i am astonished at the level of ignorance you have so far displayed concerning East African armed forces.
    You are clearly basing your arguments on out of date information gathered from the internet.To argue that no East African force can recognize a drone is not only laughable, but pitiful as well.Drones are not new in this continent and the decision to have them is based on the need.It is therefore not beyond Kenya’s reach to acquire them.Sample this:-
    http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2010/04/30/Africas-oil-wealth boosts-arms-sales/UPI-38821272652572/
    You have indicated above that Nigeria has helped to train various country’s armed forces such as those of Tanzania(1964) and Zimbabwe. While this is obviously a good gesture and expected of a country of Nigeria’s calibre, you have not been alone in this field. Kenya trained the Namibian armed forces following their independence in 1980 and is doing the same for the South Sudan’s armed force right now.It is also helping to train Somalian army alongside Uganda,Ethiopia,Djibouti and Tanzania(Police).
    What is more, Tanzania too trained soldiers for a number of countries during the Liberation struggle.
    Frankly speaking, Nigeria is not and can never be an African military power in its present state. This military is in a chaotic state and needs a total overhaul starting with the leadership. Nigeria at the moment cannot project any force beyond her borders. It is only lucky to be bordered by militarily inferior countries.
    A huge slice of the military inventory is obsolete and at best very rusty.A country of such an economic and political clout needs a better force and better equipment. What do you say of an air force equipped with only 12 F-7 fighter jets? Man you are in a friendly territory, otherwise you will need a good number of more modern fighter planes. Look Uganda is getting 6 SU-30MK2s, with these they can easily have your entire air force for dinner.
    Wake up buddy and help take Nigeria where it should be.Doesn’t it offend you to see Nigeria still armed with museum types T-55 MBTs?Even with your degrees, are these what you think can defend Nigeria in the event of a more formidable aggressor? What do you do with all the oil money?
    Corruption is killing your country brother. Can you actually face Morocco or Algeria for that matter? Even Ghana with her small, but professional military might be a tall order for you.
    Some of you really amuse me with this battle experience crap.Just because Kenya has never gone to war since independence means that it is militarily weak.What nonsense?
    How many countries have never gone to war in years yet we cannot afford to mess with them?
    Can the mighty US even challenge China just because it has no battle experience?
    Have South Africa and Brazil gone to war in recent years?Can we dare them?
    What is the reason that these countries have never been to war even when surrounded by hostile adversaries.Cowardice?
    Young Israel was invaded in 1949 by an allied force of battle hardened adversaries.Who won?
    But huh,”mighty”Nigeria is well trained in prestigious military schools in Nigeria and all over the world and is expected to roll over all adversaries by outwitting them in battle field tactics.After all they all have PhD’s in military science and battle experience to boot.Never mind they have been unable to outwit MEND in spite of all these.

    • Sorry the link did not pick the information i intended to pass about the Drones.Kenya is interested in buying some from Israel for border surveillance.I will post the link again.

  207. I have no idea why am arguing with this ignoramus on facts about MY army and how we pick OUR cadets. Am going to let it go like you said and you better not start gloating about winning anything. Give respect where its due mate, you are a web surfer nothing more. You have no idea on how to lace up a jungle boot and despite your loud noises Mr. Beeg Eagle about ECOMOG you yourself wouldnt last 2 clicks in action., closest you ever came to a shootout is those D rated nollywood clips househelps in kenya like so well.

  208. IF DEGREES alone could win wars then America should be by now out of Iraq and Afganistan,then Vietnam could have been a piece of cake and the 38th parallel that now defines the border between north and south korea could not be existing.
    Those so called educated generals in Nigeria have periodically presided over one the the number one corupt regimes in africa….until NIGERIANS ARE known and feared for mega coruption deals .

  209. @SPIDERMAN. A Kenyan it was who first brought up the issue of training. REF military training, I have listed OVER 17 Nigerian corps training institutions for you to see. I can list more if you want. If it has to do with academics, the facts have been equally presented. Believe what you will. Even if degrees do not win wars, I do not see what advantage Kenya enjoy from the perspective of experience. Even with PKOs, we do MORE of peace enforcement in Nigeria…NOT tepid PKs.

    @Olekoima. You just posted more drivel. Y’all are acting like grumpy babies and endlessly shifting the goalpost. Stick to the issues PLEASE.

    I have said to you that from the perspective of hi-tech intelligence gathering, you guys are an eon behind. Where are your radar planes, your satellite, your comprehensive coastal and terrestrial radar systems?

    Someone mentioned obsolescence? How dull can it get. Nigeria’s Jaguar jets and MBB-105 armed helicopters are in storage whereas Kenya’s older F5 jets and MD-500 armed helicopters are still airborne. WOW, you guys are so smart.

    The newest things I see in the KAF arsenal are the Chinese Z9-WA (a clone of the Aerospatiale Dauphin) . Are those more modern than Nigeria’s Agusta AW 109 LUHs? Are the Kenya Army’s newest WMZ 551 APCs more modern than Nigeria’s 2000s-vintage BTR-3 APCs or the Otokar Cobra IFVs which the Turks are right now using in Iraqi Kurdistan? Just like the VBL scout car which we use is MAINSTAY in Afghanistan with the French forces. How is Kenya’s AML-90 more modern than the Panhard Sagaie or the Engesa EE9 Cascavel? Are the PT-76 and Type 63 light tanks which you round around with in EA anything to be compared with the Scorpion or Scimitar light tanks of Nigeria? So much for obsolescence. Very dull allusions to nothing.

    It becomes even more ridiculous. Ghana’s so called professional army was more famous for rearguard duties during the ECOMOG years. Of what use is that Army? If some of you were more well-informed then you would know that Patrice Lumumba and Samuel Doe of Liberia were seized at the hands of Ghanaian troops. As such, that was a factually STUPID parallel to introduce to this topic under discussion. Ghana Army shine boots for Nigerian officers…dear bla-blabbers.

    HERE IS WHAT a Sierra Leonean international journalist had to say of the Ghanaians:

    “Let me also point out that the Ghanaian contingent of ECOMOG are cowards of the highest order. Those guys did not take part in any combat that I am aware of. All they did was wait for the Nigerians to capture and area, and then hide behind sand-bags claiming to be manning checkpoints. But kudos to the Nigerians for their bravery.”

    The Nigeria Police anti-riot force (Police Mobile Force) have three times as many APCs as your Ghana Army which went to ECOMOG using 81mm mortars as its heaviest piece of equipment (their four BM-21 and six 122mm arty were acquired in 2003 and with that the 66 Arty Regiment was formed). You guys are sounding more ridiculous by the minute. The endless stream of dampeners are NOT WORKING.

    For those talking glibly about weak neighbours, Chad is our next-door neighbour and it is almost as well-armed and MORE combat-experienced than your UPDF. It is DEFINITELY far more well-armed than the RPA. The Chadians have been at war without end since 1978. Go figure, gentlemen. Even if threat assessment is the issue, we can afford all the men, materials and adjustments without a major national economic meltdown and at the drop of a hat. NONE of your broke EA Armies will last the mile without crumbling your economies.

    I RESTATE that adversaries such as the Biafran Army which the Nigerian Army comprehensively defeated on the battlefield have no comparison in all the forest run-arounds taking place in East Africa TODAY. NO East African Army has faced as stern, diplomatically well-leveraged and well-motivated an adversary till date. If you dunno, that is because you guys were still in the Middle Ages at the time. It was Africa’s first modern war. You run around with cattle rustlers and dunces such as Joseph Kony and his butchers and that makes you what?

    Last October, Toposa cattle thieves mowed down 19 Kenyan troops. Tell me what happened before you start preparing for an apocalyptic showdown with Nigeria. Last week, the UPDF had ten of its ELITE troops killed by Sudanese militiamen who crossed over into the CAR for a hunting expedition. What happened? So the UPDF marched to Kinshasa? Well, why not march into The Sudan? You cannot face up to that yet you are all dreaming of marching to West Africa. You know, many of you guys just come here talking nonsense after altercations with minnows. Of course, the UPDF won’t violate Sudanese territory like they do with prostrate DR Congo. “Every foot has its shoe size”.

    I have said and I say AGAIN, if you guys do not desist from this poor attempt at drawing parallels ( we call it the small man’s syndrome – always craving validation), you may get your egos badly bruised. The only thing you can talk about is corruption and even so, Kenya have finished lower Nigeria SEVERAL TIMES on the yearly Transparency International Corruption Index. Again, it shows how and inferiority-complexed and self-loathing many Africans can be that Kenya which has no movie industry of her own can point to Nollywood. Many of us here appear not to have self-esteem that is why you scarcely think before you talk. You should be thinking of growing your own movie industry to rank. We are AHEAD of you even in music and movies, like or loathe them.

    As for copying and pasting from the web, even that is not easy. Unless you know your stuff and are conversant with the subject-matter, you may end up posting police information instead of military data. You understand?

    • my brother , you have well talked and we have heard you , but you appear to be missing out on war and its realities , having superior weapons alone doesnt make an army formidable . i e why was it that the americans with all there fire power lost the vietnam war? why were the elitreans able to stand ethiopians ? they all heard the same knowhow about war . i respect the nigerian army , but when i compare the resources and the economic stature of the country they still lag behind . because there biggest threat is the north, these are countries armed to middle east starndards . while i appreciate the role nigeria has played to keep that region stable politicaly , it needs to put its house in order , it would be much more bigger tragedy if the big boy gets in problem with his own house , with the changing geopolitical factors it is much safer to have external problems rather than internal ones. what i mean is that these groups that we hear about like bukho harram cu one day be favoured by turn of events and create problem that cud disentergrate that country .

  210. Despite the pretentious military bravado from behind his desktop, the most SILLY thing which anyone has so far said here is that “Nigeria cannot project power behind her borders”. It shows that he was not even part of the UNAMSIL contingent to Sierra Leone. So much for hot air.

    Cote d’ Ivoire is THREE countries distant from Nigeria. When her government which was sympathetic to Liberia’s Charles Taylor denied Nigerian C-130 Hercules planes overflying rights as they made to resupply Nigerian ECOMOG forces, NAF jets were scrambled and they FORCIBLY escorted the planes through CIV airspace. In 2005, President Gbagbo AGAIN requested for NAF jets to beef up his regime’s capabilities.

    ECOMOG is universally acknowledged ashaving been the FIRST successfully mounted tri-service projection of power beyond a nation’s borders which to ever take place in Black Africa. The Nigerian Air Force used C130s, G222s, Pumas and Alpha jets while the Navy deployed THREE French and German-made missile craft and a LST in support of army operations. In case you do not know as usual, the nearest point in Nigeria to Liberia is a FULL 1,000 miles away.

    If you dunno, only ASK rather than come talking blubber!

  211. As for the one flapping thick lips about training, this is the LATEST addition to the repertoir.

    Leadership (Abuja)
    Nigeria: Army Establishes Counter-Terrorism Centre
    Isaiah Benjamin
    25 June 2010

    Kaduna — The upsurge terrorist organizations worldwide, the problem of militancy in the Niger-Delta and the proliferation of fundamentalist religious groups which are breeding the culture of impunity to achieve their economic, political or religious objectives have reinforced the importance of counter terrorism training in Nigeria.

    The Nigerian Army, therefore, in the bid to fulfil her constitutional responsibilities of national security, has established a counter-terrorist and counter-insurgency centre in Jaji, Kaduna State to train Nigerian Army personnel on counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency skills.

    Performing the commissioning of the temporary site of the counter terrorist and counter-insurgence centre and the foundation stone laying of the permanent site at the Jaji Cantonment in Kaduna State, the Minister of Defence, Prince Adetokunbo Kayode (SAN), commended the Chief of Army Staff, Lieutenant General Abdulrahman Danbazau for the initiative.

  212. In terms of experience, skills repertoir and dynamism and constant updating, hmmm…..!

    Another brand-new FIELD training centre

    Daily Trust (Abuja)
    Nigeria: Defence Academy to Establish Desert Training Base in Yobe
    Hamza Idris
    24 June 2010

    Damaturu — The Nigerian Defence Academy (NDA) is to establish a permanent training base along the desert area of Gashua and Yusufari Local Government Areas of Yobe State for the training of its cadets on how to endure war and peace keeping in difficult terrains.

    The Commandant of the Academy, Major General Mahmud Yerima, stated this in Damaturu when he paid a courtesy visit on Governor Ibrahim Gaidam yesterday.

    He said the training tagged, “Exercise Desert Fox”, was initiated by the NDA last year following discoveries that despite elaborate training for cadets, most of them find it difficult to cope with challenges of peace restoration in desert prone war zones like Darfur in the Sudan.

    Yerima who called on the Yobe State government to allocate land to the NDA for the establishment of the base said cadets of Regular Course 57 of the academy were participating in the five-day training which ends Friday.

    Governor Ibrahim Gaidam thanked the NDA for selecting Yobe for the annual training and directed the chairman of Bade Local Government Area to allocate a land for the establishment of the permanent base.

    “I commend the academy for being a central pillar in the provision of qualitative professional training for the officers of the Nigerian Army, Navy and Air Force since its establishment in 1964,” the governor said.

  213. I have to admit i didnt read much of what you just said. All i see is you quoting verbatim what a bunch of politicians said. FYI politics and military dont mix. Thats oil and water man. Am not going to argue on the merits of the chadian or ghanian armed forces. what the fuck for? Coz unlike you i am not a couch potato with nothing better to do than surf the web for unverifiable info. What i know is scimitars and scorpions are in teh same family as the saladin…we have saladins they are old!
    What i pride myself in is our ability to scout potential threats beforehand and take them out…tactically. Why waste a whole brigade and millions when something can be done covertly.

  214. BEEG EAGLE,

    Yes i was not part of UNAMSIL and i have not claimed so. Read my post again, where did i say that?
    So the Jaguars are in storage? What for if you cannot use them? Why don’t you just retire them just like South Africa did with the Cheetahs? Aren’t you hanging onto them for lack of spares whilst hoping that something might fall through and keep them airborne again? See you cannot even maintain your birds. What a hopeless lot you are.Our birds may be old but we still have them flying. We are not alone. A number of countries still fly their older jets. China just retired their F-6(MiG-19) fleet just this year after more than 43 years in service. I know you will call this drivel again- typical Nigerian ego.
    I still repeat that the Nigerian military’s inventory is obsolete and very rusty at best. If you don’t believe this go to Janes defense weekly and read again the page on procurement for Nigeria. It was updated recently. Incidentally it is you who has been quoting Janes to back your claims. How come you have not read anything on procurement for Nigeria? Or you were just blowing hot air hoping that we could not verify things there on account of it being subscription only material?
    And yes, before i forget, Which are these wars that Nigeria have gone to? The Biafrian civil war? This is what you are quoting?Get real. Give us a war fought between Nations. Just like us, you have not fought a war since independence unless you tell me which country you fought. We are even better we fought the Somalian Shifta.

  215. last time i checked, the air force of ivory coast had no plane to fly their name. so is it meant to impress when you boast your capacity to overfly an air forceless country? The fact that you should face BEEG EAGLE is that NIGERIA HAS NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A LARGE SCALE CONFLICT where it was necessary to activate ALL OF ITS FORCES AND RESERVES. We in Kenya to have not had the misfortune to do that either. as far as i’m concerned, degrees or no degrees, Nigeria is just as naive as Kenya when it comes to a real WAR. Mobiliing you army against rebels who do not know or care about battlefield maneouvers, protecting of bases, airspaces. Guys who cannot call in close fire support e.t.c. it really gives you nothing to boast about. it’s equal to an experienced policeman boasting to a freshly commisioned one on how pickpockets fear him.

  216. BEEG EAGLE,
    by the way are the Nigerian army Vickers mk3 still operatonal?

  217. @Olekoima. I do not HAVE to IMPRESS any of you for any reason. In terms of men, material and MILITARY training institutions or combat experience, there is NO BASIS WHATSOEVER for any comparison between the Nigerian Army and Kenya Army. We have no point to prove to you. Kenya’s is a home-bound constabulary who do not even have the balls to make a stand for a Migingo island, a 1 hectare strip of land contested by Uganda? The UPDF station a 130mm gun on it and the Kenya Army are in retreat?

    If you guys do not know, only last October the Nigerian Chief of Army Staff announced the fact Special Vehicle Plant of the Nigerian Army had just completed the induction of and/or refurbishment of 400 tanks, APCs and IFVs. This was at about the same time as 235 trucks were delivered to the NA.

    http://forum.cybereagles.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=140686&p=2447105&hilit=Nigerian+Army+refurbished+400+armoured+vehicles#p2447105

    The SPV was established as an assembly line for Steyr APCs and these past few years, Messrs Marshpearl of Ireland have in conjunction with NA Engineers been upgrading Scorpion light tanks there. If you need proof, ASK me or hit the web. I just gave you a name.

    @jasiri. You probably checked a very long time ago. Cote d’Ivoire had Alpha jets ever before Kenya got her Hawks and since the Civil War started in Sept. 2002, she has acquired used MiG 23 and Su-25 jets from Eastern Europe. The Su-25s were later destroyed on the ground by French jets in retaliation for an attack on their positions. Check the facts.

    And no Nigeria NOWHERE as naive as Kenya ARE.
    The Nigerian Civil War had the Biafran Armed Forces deploying even 105mm artillery guns, small MINICON trainer aircraft configured for ground attack (like the Libyans did with the SF 260W in Chad and like the Colombians still do with the ALX Super Tucano) and defecting Biafran naval officers even escaped from Nigerian service with a Ford-Class SDB(NNS Ibadan) which was larger than ANY vessel in the Kenya Navy inventory as we speak. So Biafra had a triservice military and werewithal which none of the rebel armies between Somalia and DR Congo have EVER dreamt of laying hands on. Time to pack it in.

    Somebody lie to me again, the Shifta, the FDLR, ADF and LRA have ever carried out air attacks? For the record, Biafra carried out the first air attack of the War and they even killed members of the German Technical Training Team deployed to Kaduna at the time in one attack!

    The brief and swift border war with Chad involved armour and MiG jets and in the Bakassi Peninsula, Cameroon ONLY turned to legal option when it was clear that it could not prise away the territory by force. For the avoidance of doubt, in August 2008 Nigeria withdrew from all of 90% of the peninsula. You can only withdraw from a place which was under occupation in the first place. That amounts to stating the obvious. Cameroon ONLY acquired Soltam(ex-US M114) 155mm howitzers in response to the battering which her troops took from Nigerian artillerymen. The Bakassi conflict involved naval and amphibious assaults, air strikes and artillery duels. Cameroon have a triservice military.

    @D-the work-at-home busy bee. Truth is, you actually KNOW NOTHING to say. That is why cannot say anything beyond spewing expletives and attempting to teach me time mgt. Scimitars and Scorpions are of the same vintage as Saladins? The Scorpion and Scimitar were ACTUALLY introduced as REPLACEMENT for the Saladin. The Saladin went into production in 1959-60 while the first Scorpion were delivered in 1972.

    For sentimental reasons, the NA retains ONLY 16 Saladin AFVs and those are the very late models. The Saladin went out of production in the 1980s whereas the British Army still field Scimitars as we speak. Some of you appear to be forest rangers rather than soldiers.

    As for the Jags, those and the MBBs are in storage just in case there is an instant need to shore up the numbers, depending on the type of altercation. If you ask me, new jets will come ever before that unlikely possibility arises. They are probably never gonna be fielded ever again.

    @ALL of YOU. Quite a shameless motley – going from training to arsenal to combat experience in an unproductive rigmarole which has you sounding more ridiculous by the minute. Go and look for your equals. Nigeria is NOT one of them.

  218. MIGHTY KENYA ARMY CANT EVEN MAKE A STAND FOR ITS CITIZENS. The only reason why the Nigerian Army went into the Bakassi Peninsula and successfully held onto it for FIFTEEN YEARS was in defence of the interests and well-being of Nigerian citizens domiciled there.

    READ:

    Twelve Kenyans Missing at Disputed Island
    2009-04-17 02:21:22
    Xinhua

    Twelve Kenyan fishermen have gone missing and are said to be in custody of Ugandan soldiers manning the disputed Migingo Island in western Kenya.

    Sources said the missing fishermen were in a group of 24 Kenyans arrested by heavily armed Ugandan UPDF soldiers who have sealed off all entries to the island.

    According to Muhuru Bay Councilor Tobias Warentho, the fishermen are said to have been arrested on Wednesday as they were going on with their fishing activities.

    Twelve of them were temporarily detained in the lake, relieved of their catches, and fuel drained from their boats before being left inside the lake forcing them to row to the shore.

    Warentho said some of the fishermen said they had been tortured by the Ugandans. The 12 fishermen who were still missing by Thursday afternoon were said to be detained at a tiny cell on the island. Reasons for the arrests were not yet clear.

    The news of the arrests came as angry youths in Kisumu town tried to barricade the Kisumu-Busia road to block Ugandan trucks from using the road over the Migingo row.

    Kisumu police chief Simon Kiragu said the youths tried to block the road at Kachock but were dispersed by police. The youths, most of them taxi operators, said they would stop movement of Uganda bound goods through Kisumu.

    The Ugandan soldiers are also now forcing Kenyans operating businesses on the island to display portraits of Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni instead of that of Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki.

    Besides the portrait, they also want the island renamed Kaguta, after Museveni’s middle name. “Things have suddenly changed. This people appear to be preparing for war,” said Mark Ouma, a fisherman.

    In Muhuru, Warentho said hundreds of fishermen held demonstrations to protest the arrest of their colleagues and illegal occupation of Migingo by Ugandan forces.

    [b]”This is just another way of frustrating the Kenyans to make them leave the island,” Warentho said, adding that cases of fishermen being detained on the lake and losing the catch had been on the increase since the Ugandans begun their occupation of the island[/b].

    Warentho has now appealed to the Kenyan government to help in tracing the missing fishermen saying it was causing great worry to their families.

    “We are still not yet aware of where our brothers are,” he said, adding that if the Kenyans had committed any offence, they had to be held in the country and charged in Kenyan courts.

    [b]Ugandan securities have always arrested Kenyans and moved them over to Bugiri district, over 200 kilometers away where some of them have been charged in the Ugandan courts with trespass[/b].

    Kenyan lawmaker representing the region, Edick Anyanga has in the meanwhile angrily reacted to the news of arrest, terming it as “unacceptable”. Speaking on phone, Anyanga said it was time Kenyan security authorities took a “decisive” action against the Ugandans to stop the arrests ion the Kenyans operating on the island.
    “The country’s first and foremost duty is to protect its citizens,” Anyanga said.

    At the same time, the six to six curfew imposed a day ago still stands as the Ugandans continue to flex their muscle on the island.

    [color=#FF0000][b]This follows a meeting held on the island between a Ugandan army Brigadier who is in charge of the island and fishermen operating on the island. Under the new rules, occupants of the island will be expected to remain in doors from six in the evening until six in the morning the following day. The soldiers, who are armed with machine guns and artillery among other weapons moved in on Tuesday morning and surrounded the entire island, sealing off all the entry routes[/b][/color].

    According to the local Beach Management Unit official Juma Ombori, the action has caused a lot of panic among the fishermen making it unable for them to go on with their normal fishing activities.

    “It is impossible to go on with our activities when the entire island is sealed with armed soldiers,” Ombori said, adding that the island was like a battle zone. Ombori also criticized the decision to put a time limit saying the action will greatly affect fishing on the island.

    He said some types of fish were only caught at night and telling the fishermen to be in the houses by six in the evening was tantamount to killing their business.

    Ugandan soldiers have also introduced new charges to Kenyan fishermen who must now pay 500 shillings (about 6.3 U.S. dollars) daily for docking their boats on the beaches. Those who refused to pay the charges have already been notified to either leave the island for “Kenya” or put up with the Ugandans rules as they were in a “Ugandan territory”.

    Speaking immediately after the new charges were announced, Ombori said the Kenyan fishermen will however not pay the charges because there was an agreement that one was to pay anything until the ownership issue was resolved.

  219. @BEEG EAGLE. First i wish to ask you to only post links that are accessible. All the links you have posted so far require one to be a registered member first before opening them. I’ am not interested in being a member of your blog.
    The Migingo row which you have elaborately dwelt on is a non issue. We saw no reason to go to war with our brothers in Uganda and mess up with regional trade that the two countries are very mutually dependent on. There was always a better way to deal with the matter and i’ am sure you will agree with me that we were right in exercising restrain.Nevertheless we are always ready to defend our own when all else fails.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migingo_Island
    I had posted links to back my arguments above about the Kenyan and Nigerian armed forces. However they are still undergoing moderation 24 hours later. Let’s wait and see if they will be published.
    Finally it is not in my nature to bash any country’s military, but i nonetheless expect people to post accurate information devoid of exaggerated and non existent capabilities. Besides, our attempts to point weaknesses in any country’s military should not draw any wrath. Kenyan military too has its fair share of weaknesses. Someone must point this out for correction.
    Let’s all argue like professionals.

  220. Believe me, I am not in anyway interested in increasing site traffic to my blog or to Cybereagles. Those are already inundated with subscriptions.

    I have ALWAYS been ready to keep this low-keyed and balanced but when someone decided to get personal with me, matters had to fly off the handle. The first person who began the “my country vs yours” thingie was a Kenyan. You can scroll through this thread if you need any proof of that.

    Finally, why do you all quote Wiki like it is the gospel truth? In terms of info which can be obtained from manufacturers such as technical details of weapons systems, they can be quite accurate but with matters of subjective interest such as this, an open source reference such as Wiki is hardly tenable.

    As a matter of fact, I recall that an online magazine in North America where I am a Contributing Writer expressly forbade ANY and ALL references to Wikipedia.

  221. HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS – RISING TENSIONS BETWEEN UGANDA AND RWANDA?

    The Monitor (Kampala)
    Uganda: Rwanda Increases Troops At Border
    Robert Muhereza
    28 June 2010

    The Uganda Peoples Defence Force has called for calm following the heavy deployment of troops by Rwanda at its border with Uganda.

    The UPDF 2nd Division spokesperson, Capt. Robert Kamara, said Uganda’s border with Rwanda is safe.

    “The UPDF is not bothered by the deployments and the movements of the Rwanda army because we don’t control them. Ours is to guarantee the security of our people by ensuring that our border is safe. There is no need for any worry or panic,” Capt. Kamara said at the weekend.

    Panic

    The Chairman of Butanda Sub-county in Kabale District, Mr Banett Champion, yesterday said the recent deployment of the Rwandan troops near the border has caused panic among residents.

    “Hundreds of Rwandan soldiers are seen patrolling along the border in the areas adjacent to my sub-county. I was told that in the past they used to carry out their night patrols at 8pm but now they are doing it at 6pm. The people here are worried,” Mr Champion said.

    The Kabale deputy Resident District Commissioner, Mr Shafique Ssekandi, said the deployment of Rwandan troops on the border is the right of the Rwandan government that should not scare the Ugandans.

    “Don’t be scared of the Rwandan deployment because they are doing it on their land,” Mr Ssekandi said.

  222. Bee eagle Do you read the news and understand the information that it intendeds to give or to you read the headline, skim through the article and come up with your own conclusion? Why are you making the above story a UG VS Rwanda thing which it is not? Why are you trying to create a crisis where none exists? I have never understood the thinking of you West Africans. The Rwandese troops that are at the boarder with UG are to capture some thugs who have been trying to destabilize Rwanda in the last few months in case they try to escape that way. This got nothing to do with UG. (And that’s why if you had read the article and understood it you would have seen the paragraph where a UG captain asked the civilians not to mind what was going on). You and your kind need to wake up and stop living a life of aggression and extreme paranoia always thinking your neighbor is planning something evil against you

  223. Good point Tororo. Frankly speaking we East Africans do not foresee the possibility of conflicts among East African states any time soon. We are moving towards integration hence conflict is not an option.Rwanda is preparing for an election and naturally they will not want to leave anything to chance. This kind of ‘insecurity’ is common among serving African leaders. They always see enemies all over.
    @BEEG EAGLE,i do not always quote Wikipedia. Scroll up and read my other posts. I merely did that in my previous post to reinforce my argument on the Migingo saga. I can quote a different link if you like, but the message is the same.
    By the way BEEG EAGLE, Jasiri had asked you a question. Do you still maintain the Vickers mk III MBTs in the Nigerian army inventory? or are they retired?

  224. NO, the Nigerian Army have NOT retired the Vickers Mk.3 tanks. They are called the Eagle in Nigeria. When sanctions were slammed against us in 1992, deliveries of the Mk. 3 which first entered NA service in the early 1980s ceased.

    With the return of democratic rule in 1999, supplies of Western-made hardware(French and British armour and Italian SP arty) resumed.

    Before 2000, the NA had taken delivery of

    Vickers Mk 3 main battle tanks – 97
    Scorpion light tanks – 100
    Panhard VBL scout cars – 10
    Palmaria 155mm SP Arty – 25
    Bofors FH-77A 155mm towed howitzers – 24

    With the end of sanctions and the lifting of arms embargoes, additional deliveries in the 2001-2006 epoch raised the total holdings for same to :

    Vickers Mk 3 main battle tanks -170 (63 mo’ units delivered)
    Scorpion light tanks -150 (50 more units delivered)
    Palmaria 155mm SP Arty -50 (25 more units delivered)
    Panhard VBL M11 scout cars – 72 (62 more units delivered)

    Entirely new to the inventory and acquired from the same sources during the corresponding 2001-2006 period were:
    105mm artillery- OTO MELARA L6 105mm/14 – 18 units
    155mm artillery- FH-77 B05 L52 – 48 units

  225. Tororo, my caption “RISING TENSIONS BETWEEN KENYA AND UGANDA” ended with a “?”. That suggests that I asked a qwuestion rather than made an assertion…as you go pontificating about nothing. Maybe you should remove the beam in your bloodshot eyes before you attempt to take out the speck in mine.

  226. the above items are thrush vise vie your G.D.P

  227. REALLY? Typically African. What is eating you up this time?

    FYI, the FH-77B 155mm is what the Indian Army fielded as MAINSTAY in the Kargil War against Pakistan in 1999. The main scout car deployed by the French in Afghanistan is the Panhard VBL.

    You wanna know users of the Scorpion light tank who have larger GDPs than Nigeria? BELGIUM,CHILE,IRAN,MALAYSIA,NEW ZEALAND,PHILIPPINES SPAIN,THAILAND,VENEZUELA .

    Countries such as Indonesia even have their light tank arsenal dominated by the PT-76 which is a 76mm-armed unit whereas the scorpion is a 90mm-armed unit.

    You wanna know countries which larger GDPs than Nigeria which field the Panhard VBL? France, Indonesia, Mexico.

    Thanks a bunch for being so aware.

  228. Beeg eagle – Exactly my point. Why raise a question as one posed by your capitation despite you reading the story (if you did??) It says there are no such developments by the other side and this was just a security measure by one state and you still let you mind wonder off into the unthinkable!? Like I said this is only characteristics of west African people; always thinking about the evil (imagined never the less) that’s about to be committed to them and how more evil they should get to get back at the neighbors. You people are yet to mature.

    • Tororo, ANY build-up of forces across an international frontier is bound to elicit the same question. Your West African generalization is neither here nor there. It is another poor attempt at making this an East Africa v West Africa. It is a sinking ship which you should disembark immediately. If you were mature YOURSELF, you would not categorize any entire region based on questions raised by one person.

      • Bee eagle I did not just come up with this conclusion out of the blue. There is a big number of West Africans in new York and from observing them I have been able to deduce that you people display tendencies that are not seen anywhere in East, central or southern Africa. You are overly aggressive for no known reason. (what is it? The foo foo?) I worked in NYC for sometime; which has a big population of all sorts of people from all over the world, but the anomalous ones happened to be west African. It’s a truly a case of trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, totally atypical. When I was in college and I let some of them know that I was African, they always asked me why I hang out with African Americans talking about how they will kill me, rob me or get me on drugs (see always assuming the worst of other people). So I think I have study you people long enough to know your predisposition

  229. MY guess is kagame is not taking any chances in case there are problems arrizing from the upcoming elections …whereby museveni might send in his boys to thrash rioters like he did elsewhere in 2007/8

  230. THIS is not surprising.,..it seems the KAGAME boys have SOME information that the general public does not.
    FROM KABALE town centre to the GATUNA border crossing for both countries is about 19 MILES and then from there to KIGALI is only about 39MILS of steep mountain sides roads and valleys similar to the escarpment areas in Kenya..SO BY MASSING TROOPS IN THIS AREA in advance ..it makes it easy to defend in case of some serious developements from the Ugandan side.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Rwanda

  231. THE EXACT distances are in less than my estimations on the previous post.
    HOWEVER I KNOW THE AREA very well as i operated on this route as a relief transport security co-ordinator for safe and secure conveyance of relief goods and other high value items between MOMBASA ,NAIROBI,MALABA,BUSIA,KAMPALA MBARARA,KABALE.GATUNA and KIGALI transport corridor.
    so lets keep an eye on this and see how it will pan out

  232. I know well this area, worked off it / studied it many years. Egress by UPDF through Kabale/Gatuna to Kigali, with the sort of TOL that UPDF presently musters, is virtually impossible. The typography and possible routes of an aggressor-entry is incredible difficult, requiring an air-lift capacity to rapidly move aggressor units around which UPDF does not have at present by a long shot. I can defend Kigali from-depth, against anything UPDF can throw against me, with a half-battalion of properly motivated and led troops with little more than anti-personal tactics. In very short order. Shut it off completely. Don’t get carried away with this suppositions about “something coming through to Kigali from Kabale” during the coming General Election. The RDF as presently constituted is simply the visible statement of the Monopoly and propensity to large-scale organized Violence by the Ruling elite in Kigali. It cowers the population and stifles active dissent. It insulates the Ruling Class from possible violent backlash by their populace by their strangle-hold on all instruments of Violence. It allows for the lopsided writing and interpretation of Local History that guarantees a generational hold on the societal privileges that result in this re-worked Social fabric. Consequently, and like the UPDF, the RDF interprets and projects this politics by visible abrupt deployments that reinforce the re-worked Social order. So that while as an Armed Group should express National Values and Aspirations, the RDF espouses the Parochial wishes of the Ruling Elite in Kigali, and is it’s raison d’être. Now, due to the proximity to the more stable and expansive border of Uganda of the resentful disenfranchised disempowered Majority HUTU, there exists a real likelihood of their rejection of this enforced status quo in the run-up to / during / after the general elections. ERGO, the RDF is deployed to of remind this population of who holds the monopoly and propensity to massive organized Violence in this piteously ravaged country. You will discover that in the whole of Rwanda at this time, night patrols have been beefed up and increased with instructions to greater visibility. There is therefore no threat from Uganda that is visible at this present moment, guys.

    • Ole Nkarei, i understand the Kenyan peace keeping contingent saw some action in sierra Leone…any idea how this was like?

  233. I heard once that UPDF tried to infiltrate Rwanda in 2001 but fared miserably and were repulsed.

    M7 then panicked and wrote to Tony Blair asking for military aid to hold off a Rwandese invasion.

    I don’t think they will try again.

    • Nothing of the sort took place, Mugwiira. Not even an inkling of it in circles I am in.. the posturing of both UPDF and RDF on this Border are merely shadow-boxing, nothing more. Remember they are both Political Outfits that project the exclusivity to Official Organized Violence of the Ruling Classes in both Countries. Even the spate in Kisangani was not sanctioned and more of a falling-out of Adjunct Sector-Command – Court-Marshalls followed. Egress into Rwanda? Not one inch since 1996 when they fell out over M7 trying to remote-control Rwanda after they took Kigali together in 1994.

  234. AS indicated earlier by some other blogers ..it is a very difficult and almost impossible task to military get to kigali via this gatuna/kabale /kigali route …YOUR ONLY OPTION is full air borne assault using troops like what Kenya has in the 20 para batalion or the rangers to drop them behind enemy lines and work their way by cutting supply roots ..at the same time using drones to spot enemy positions and then interdict those with precision bombing..before moving in with a well protected infantry armour….i dont think either OF THESE two countries ug/rwanda have the capability to carry out massive airborne troops movement at the moment.

  235. does updf has special forces like the ones in kenya army?

    • Commando bn and a recently trained abn bn. However, these are too busy “looking for Kony” and protecting M7’s hydrocarbon treasures.

      Remember tho’ that without arty and CAS, SPECOPS are as good as useless against any serious infantry force.

      Air defense must also be 100% neutralized. Exposed to AA arty fire, abn troops will be dead on arrival.

      • Actually most of the so called commando units form the largest potion of M7 presidential guard..which seems like a real misuse of resources
        others are seen moving around kampala protecting the top cream of the military brass i mean last time i was in entebe i was simply very amused to see a two vehicle convoy
        /cavalcade of a top Ugandan general being followed by an army pick up with guys on top carrying heavy machine guns….acting as the generals personal security on the streets as he went about his business.
        Apparently this was a normal thing in Kampala as well.since the public there are used to these kind of scenes
        THIS is not the way to use an elite force man ..maybe things have changed.

  236. About the special forces
    http://www.afrika.no/Detailed/19416.html

  237. @ SPIDERman – this misuse of resources is dictated by tribal politics. These days, not even the PGB, not even the Bahima are trusted – only a small clan group related to Janet Museveni.

  238. And for the VIP protection includeing the president himslef is being done by the police since April of this year. The president’s protection Still have some former PGB who hard specialized skills, this is untill their police replacements have been fully trained

  239. @Tororo
    You see man this is exactly what i meant…. by concentrating power around his close relatives M7 is laying the ground to stay in power until they kingdom come
    WHY does he promote a chap from a leutenant to major straight…then to leutenant colonel within seven to eight years
    Special FORCES by name are supposed to be used in better ways than this
    PROTECTING the president should be a primary civilian run outfit and special forces left to do what they train for ..warfare…i really dont know …the goings on here but last time i checked the vip protection unit in Kenya is run by the police under the GSU. oops who by recent reports are complaining of lack of modern equipment to compete with their counterparts in the RDU of THE AP…however they are good in what they do and the training they get is effective.

  240. Mugwiira
    You are reading too much into the tabloid papers in UG or are spending a whole lot of time in the bars, the issue of VIP protection is as it is supposed to be secretive and highly forceful by nature even in the US. What do you think is inside those SUVs in Obama’s motorcade? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGGPeLRhwss&feature=related
    The problem with some people is that if they are restricted access to a certain area, then that person doesn’t like them or does not trust them. Heck even the pope has “mean” security so why shouldn’t a president?

  241. Spiderman
    VIP protection was moved to the police under the president’s orders. About the rapid ascension of Lt.col muhoozi, it is a combination of both training and “Technical know who”. He is a Sundhurst and Leavenworth graduate in precisely these kind of missions though he got to go there probably because of his status but this sort of thing happens every where in the second and third world countries.

  242. @ Tororo – you have misread my point. When you draw forces from a single unit which has a very specific purpose to all kinds of missions, including those which have nothing to do with military service at all (like close protection) – what does that tell you?

    To me, it shows that armed forces and security forces in general cannot be trusted. It cannot mean anything else.

    Concerning your link – did you ever see Obama being protected by a squad soldiers in a Humvee with a GPNG mounted on it? No. One, it gives a very wrong image of a country at war. Two, a GPMG is a tactical weapon. How are you going to use it on a city street? Just tell me.

    What do you think a US Delta Force soldier will do if he is told to do VIP protection? He will resign. Such an order will be a sign of disrespect towards his profession.

    As for Muhoozi. “He is a Sundhurst and Leavenworth graduate in precisely these kind of missions”. Really? Won’t you tell us which missions exactly?

    At Sandhurst he merely graduated from a Commissioning Course.

    At USAWC, they don’t teach you how to fight or command troops. It’s a strategic studies school which trains both civilian and military students in policymaking.

    Muhoozi’s parents may be impressed. I’m not.

  243. OK ..let as urgue for the sake of it..AS YOU know FORMER president moi WAS for 24 years the undisputed strongman in the region but even one of his sons despite being nursed along limped up to rank of major was never put in charge of anything..eventauly leaving to pursue business interests
    kibaki has sons who cannot make any military commission because they are not interested

  244. AN exception in Kenya occurred recently when a brigadier had to be promoted to Major General when the then brigadier ALI mohamed was moved from the army to head the Kenya police force despite opposition from the police rank and file after THE NARC government of Kibaki came to power
    Reasoning here was that since the other heads of service are all generals it would be deaming for the presidency to have Brigadier reporting direct to the CinC as expected of the police commissioner
    IT so happens that Major general Ali could not there fore return to the army after being removed from the police service …since his ranking was now a political in nature
    HE now runs the postal service as POST MASTER GENERAL as a civillian with more parks than if he was to be in the army
    The current police commissioner is a career police cadet having previously also run the paramilitary crack GSU unit of the police force.

  245. Cronysim….happens all the time in Africa. Remember the time a british prince joined the ranks and even did a tour in Afghanistan? Now if this chap kept on with the trend and rose higher there wouldnt be much objections, but Lt. Col Muhoozi’s case is clearly what it is, first off am sure some other gentleman in the UPDF was more qualified to be sponsored to those fancy military colleges. It sure would be refreshing if Muhooozi did lead a unit against the LRA. Even a “soft” humanitarian relief security contingent would look good. But he has no real battle experience to speak of, most of the men under his command are sharpened killers. They may not say it but am sure some of them are still not happy with their commander.

  246. Last time, I checked Muhoozi was leading an assault on cattle rustlers in Karamoja. That and activities such as close protection of the President(remember the episode at the time of the 2009 shootings in Buganda) are SCARCELY the brief of Special Forces.

    Hopping from 2nd Lt to Lt Colonel in 8 years is also not PROPER. M7 has had nearly 25 years to standardize and foreclose possibilities which allow for the emergence of baby generals or colonels. Things ought to have become more standardized by now.

  247. Kenyan Military Forces Deployed to Somali Border
    SHABELLE
    11 July 2010

    BALAD-HAWO ( Sh. M. Network) – Many Kenyan military forces were deployed to the border between Somalia and Kenya and closed the movement of the traffic between Mandere and Balad-Hawo districts near the border, witnesses said on Sunday.

    Reports say that the Kenyan officials said that the closure of the border between the two neighboring Somalia and Kenya was aimed to assure and tighten the security of the borer between the two countries.

    The step closed the movement between both towns of Mandera and Beled-hawo towns had affected the movement of the traffic, business and people that often travel between the towns in Somalia and Kenya.

    More other Kenyan troops had also been reportedly deployed to the border that Kenya has with Dobley town of Lower Jubba region in southern Somalia which is a stronghold of Al-shabab organization.

    Balad-hawo and Dobley districts are in southern of Somalia and controlled by administrations loyal to Al-shabab in Jubba regions.

  248. IT is time that the east african countries do something once and for all against the terorists in somalia NOW. NOW NOW when there is good will from the international community.
    how long do they allow these thugs to murder drug deal and smuggle arms into our countries and endagering our people?
    kenya ,uganda,tanzania ethiopia have the capacity to wipe out these terrorists without any outside help
    GOD KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE WAITING FOR..?more innocent lives to be lost?

  249. News reports suggest that M7 is willing to send 20K troops to Somalia; this amounts to a declaration of war.
    The UN has (in principle) agreed to take over the peacekeeping, although nobody wants to send troops there.
    What do you guys predict will be the fallout from the al Shabaab bombings in Kampala?

  250. AT LEAST M7 HAS THE GUTS OTHER LEADERS in the region dont have ..alshabab needs to be crushed by all means and Kenya has shown weakness in this while they suffer the most through various criminal activities by these “somalis.”

  251. M7 cannot send 20K troops to Somalia. UPDF is already overstretched. They will be hard-pressed to even come up with the 2,000 agreed upon by the IGAD – which they’ll have to do as I don’t think anyone else will want to send their troops to beef up the AMISOM now that the price of fighting somebody else’s wars is clear to everyone.

    There’s no way “the terrorists” can be simply “wiped out”. The Somali situation is a political problem, not just a security problem. The sad (for me) fact is that for a large part of the Somali population (most non-Majerteen Darood, Rahanweyn and Hawiye) the Shabaab are now the most credible political force capable of providing internal peace, justice and national dignity. The US has not managed to come up with any better alternative.

  252. Mugiira How could you!? To even insinuate that Al shabbab is liked by anyone except the people within the outfit is ridiculous. Do you know these people are trying to force every one back into the Stone Age? – No TV, Radio, Singing basically any form of entertainment or education is prohibited. And you dare Support them with a flimsy excuse that this is some thing political? Right now I find myself wishing you were at that rugby ground and then we would have seen your inclination when a bomb tears off your arm or Leg. By the way what are you talking about that the UPDF is out stretched? Do you know there exists a large reserve force? Those that were affected by the retrenchment exercise and besides there are all the Ex-soldiers returning from Iraq? Man……….

  253. @ Tororo – I’m not a Shabaab sympathizer, and I don’t understand how you construe that from my post. Just like you do, I find terrorism deplorable.

    However, Shabaab does have considerable political influence especially among the disaffected youths. What you call “Stone Age” I call “nihilism”. In a country which has been torn apart by warlord-led violence for almost two decades everyone who can enforce at least relative peace in the areas which they control easily gets popular support. In a country where traditional nomadic justice is dead, and modern justice doesn’t exist, even the super-hardline sharia justice does have considerable appeal for the people. As for my “dignity” word, I stand by it because it explains why so many Somalis from the US and UK send money to the Shabaab, and some come to fight for them. That’s because the Shabaab’s ability to stay undefeated by the US, the Ethiopians and the AMISOM does give them a (perverted, agree) sense of pride.

    You would have noticed that I find such situation “sad”. But if you want to analyze these developments, you cannot allow your righteous indignation cloud your vision. Neither can you afford to rely on the CNN-dominated media which only describe the Shabaab in terms of caricature.

    Lastly, while we agree that terror is bad, we should also remember that the bombardments of Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki (all directed against civilians, and civilians only) were nothing but acts of terror. Damn, Nelson Mandela himself was a terrorist! Luckily for him, he wasn’t a very skilful one, so in the end he even managed to become a symbol of peace.

    Terror is applying violence to civilians to achieve political/military objectives. It is also a vioaltion of the Laws of War. But tell me which army in Africa respects the Laws of War and never terrorises civilians? UPDF maybe??

    I wonder why everyone is so shocked and surprised. The Shabaab vowed to attack Uganda almost a year ago. For myself, since the day the first Ugandan soldier stepped on the Somali soil, I became much more cautious about my movements in Kampala. Let us not pretend that UPDF was “keeping peace” in Somalia rather than simply protecting the CIA-appointed “government”.

  254. Btw, I stay unconvinced that the bombings were done by the Shabaab itself. I don’t think they have such capacity to date; the way everything was planned and executed – doesn’t point to some imported Somalis. The more probable scenario is that these were local guys under overall guidance by some mature foreign jihadis – acting “on behalf” of the Shabaab.

    • like what Mugwiira says i too dought Shabaab involvement in all this i have posted my comments on Kenya Airforce buys junk fight

  255. More UG soldiers in Somalia, will also mean more potential for contacts with Al shaabab, more civilians casualties, more outcry…ultimately the whole scenario will turn out similar to the Ethiopian invasion and will lead to a sense of hostility with Somalis both at home and in the diaspora, who will feel U.G is now invading Somalia. Bottom line is that the escalation will not stop the fundamentalism but only give it reason to grow and undergo metamorphosis…Irag and Afghanistan are good examples of this state. Ultimately the best solution for Somali is a hard and long process that will involve winning the hearts and minds of Somalis at home and in the diaspora, building a good capable Somali army…the West should help with this, by providing sustainably in terms of pay and upkeep and also arms and capabilities, military analysts say it takes between one and about two years to build the first units of a good fighting army. The countries in the region meanwhile should try and find talking points that will help mobilize the Somali elite towards democracy as peacekeeping efforts are seriously reignited. Once the first units of the Army are in place the process can Slowly be transferred bit by bit to the Somalis. Somali land is proof that Somali can be rehabilitated. Taking Museveni’s approach will only escalate terrorism and lets face it more attacks will eventually hit Ugandan towns and communities in other E.A countries, this is the fodder that the Ugandan opposition and anti-MU7 need. Also I’m sure Ugandans at this point are already scared and another attack will start to cripple trade and social life. I’m not saying that we should not react, if we must project military force it needs to be strategic not a direct confrontation with Al shaabab in the streets of Mogadishu, this wont work. Military operations should focus on strategic moves whenever necessary…e.g. stopping of arms influx, hitting specific Al Shaabab targets and neutralizing their leadership and its support, a lot of intelligence and COIN capabilities are needed at this point ….condolences to our U.G brothers and lets not forget that Kenya is not safe either…..

  256. AM SURPRISED THAT some people are suggesting that the terrorists in Somalia are impossible to defeat.
    that is nonsense and a defeatist attitude.
    ALL you need is good intelligence to target their leadership and source of funds and arms ETC…AND
    GET SEVERAL UAVs and keep round the clock surveillance to target each and any moving technical in their so called ares of operation and soon you will starve them of leadership BY targeted assasination of its leaders
    Enforce a maritime and air blockade SO that all planes flying into Somalia are vetted and all ships are also vetted to deliver only essential surplies only
    MONITOR all comms coming in and out of Somalia
    and lastly send in a properly supported Somali army from all sides so that we have Ethiopians pushing from their side ,Kenyans pushing from their side and Ugandans pushing from the middle
    ..AND YOU WILL DEFEAT THESE TERRORISTS
    ..simply declare war on these murderers and lets see how far they can go….
    M7 is my guy on this one and i think the alshsbab has started something they cannot finish
    Right now Kenya has massed troops along the Kenya Somali border and are only waiting for an excuse to go in fast and furious to get the leadership of these thugs
    .and the moment they do anything in Kenya like what they did in Kampala…the Kenyan public will demand action and i can assure you that this time around Kibaki will not just sit and watch.HE will tell the boys to get in …as we already have lingering suspicions that they had something to do with the recent grenade attacks in NAIROBI uhuru park….

    we shall never allow this to happen
    again….http://secretaryclinton.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/is-this-for-real-i-hope-not/
    IT IS TIME we told the public in EAST AFRICA that we are at war with these guys and we should treat them as such enemies of the people…
    M7 lead us against these guys and i will pray for god to reward you a thousand times…

  257. Somalia: A time for caution
    By Afyare Abdi Elmi (Al Jazeera)

    Sending additional forces from neighboring countries into Somalia will only exacerbate the conditions that empowered al-Shabab in the first place ….read more http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/07/201071473234683328.html

  258. @stevo
    IT IS wrong to sit and wait while these thugs grow stronger
    we do not need opinion pieces from sympathizers like the one you have posted above…this a strategy designed to cast doubt into regional governments to indicate that military intervention will not work
    The reason Ethiopians failed is because the they were operating as a cover for the US government under g bush war on terror
    BUT this time around any intervention under national security for the states in the region is bound to work because the people themselves want action and for to long they have waited and watched as insecurity increases just because of lack of leadership in Somalia

  259. i said it once and ill say it again and stand by it, you simply cannot fight an insurgency with conventional means…cant be done and has never been done, Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia hell even LRA these people are like that seven headed dragon, cut one head off 2 others grow on that same spot. The situation on the ground is that the average Somali is disoriented and has no feeling of hatred towards al shabaab, its not love either…what am saying is they feel the same way the average Nairobian feels towards his/her government. A civilian friend was telling me he would rather have no music on radio than a parliament that thinks only of itself while the citizen suffers.

    Anti insurgency can be done successfully in an insurgent style. Take the American approach during the Tet offensive. Instead of bringing in all those battle tanks and gunships try a guerrilla approach like McArthur did. In this case the East African governments should utilize their own indigenous somali population a healthy number of whom are in the armed forces of the countries in question as the spear tip of the anti terrorism war. And while they are at it they should take out those pesky pirates too….total nuisance.

  260. @SPIDERman, Tororo,

    I think we are all in agreement that something needs to be done about this Al Shabaab nonsense and more so URGENTLY.
    However the method of approach seems to be what we are not agreeing about. Both of you seem to favor a direct military engagement complete with tanks, ACVs and even fighter jets by an allied regional force.
    While there is no doubt that we all have this capacity and that Al Shabaab will not have any chance against it, chances for success in this method are quite slim. At best this will end up as protracted war with untold suffering on the civilians.This is because Al Shabaab are not a conventional army that can come out and face another army. They prefer to hide among civilians and often come out at an opportune time to hit and run.
    The best way to deal with them therefore is to seal all borders and use intelligence to eliminate their leaders while crippling their source of livelihood and funding. This means for example that we can use the peace keepers to enforce a no fly rule save for humanitarian purposes and also send another force(Navy) to blockade all sea routes so that all sources of arms are blocked.
    Needless to say that this should be an effort by all regional countries and not just Uganda and Burundi alone. We should not leave these two countries to shoulder the burden all by themselves.
    We need the inputs of Kenya,Tanzania, Rwanda, Sudan and Ethiopia. This is after all a regional and African issue which we should not shy away from. We all have a duty not only to protect our interests but to save lives as well.

  261. the mandate of Ug In Somalia is peacekeeping. Peacekeeping has different rules of engagements. They will need to change it to a peace enforcing mission if they want a fair playing feild. This will take them to the ranks of the Ethiopians. Again its going to be more mess and an up hill task. Who will pay for the ordinance used ? UG tax payers? if you talk about Kenya most of the ordinances is still from the west. it cost in dollars. from the Vickers Mk3 tanks that operate the Rolls-Royce to the AML that operates the Peugeot petrol engine. i agree they is a crises but who will foot this bills?

    A times you have to let things mature in its own way. Just like a teenager passing to a phase of childhood to adolescents. Let them fight it out among themselves until they feel the need for a peaceful solution. When the present Gov,t of Somalia come to Nairobi the warlords then had reach that stage of maturity. But concurrently external force came in trying to make a homeland for jihadist, grow poppy and set up training schools. once the Somalia realize the benefits involved in growing poppy they will never turn back or want any authoritative force or a central government ever again. Therefore at the moment what we are doing or how were are playing it is to train more Somalis to go and redeem their country. Train thugs to go and do a thugs job.We hope that in due time they will regain control of the country and since they‘re our boys we can hope for a good regime there after. We have seen positive results of some factions that are making head way. They is no hope for the present Somali Gov’t. This matter needs to be resolved by the bullet rather then by the ballot. External Military forces and aid should come as a guiding partner rather then an occupying force.

    P/S
    Intelligent reports on the Kampala bombing are pointing toward self perpetuated actions by the UG,s. In short the bombing was done by UG,s. Either by religious lunatics or some force somewhere. Let’s wait and see what unfolds in the days to come.

  262. I wonder why the Americans could not just allow the Islamic union courts (IUC) to run Somalia. They had succeeded in restoring a semblance of peace and government there. What is more, they seemed to enjoy the support of the citizens there.
    All of a sudden Ethiopia at the behest of the US rolled in and routed the hapless guys and what do we have now ? A murderous gang.
    Of whose benefit was this Ethiopian Invasion? I don’t believe the IUC was any threat to Ethiopia, Kenya or the region as is the case with Al Shabaab now.
    Talk of misplaced policies.

    • The UIC was pushing hard towards Puntland and was making inroads into Ogaden, which provoked Ethiopians.

      But amusingly, one prominent reason for the Ethiopian invasion was apparently the antipathy which both Americans and Ethiopians feel towards Sheikh Aweys. I wonder whether they are any more comfortable with the likes of Godane..

  263. guys the key to peace in somalia lies in somaliland. we can send in a regional army, tanks, ships, fighters and all. all they’ll do is finish al-shabab and because of the chaos a new militia will rise. when ethiopia invaded somalia in 06-07, it set free the al-shabab within the ICU. if Uganda invades in ’10 it will set free the global jihadist within the al-shabab. Instead of trainning somali troops we should train somaliland forces. then we invade pacify the country, pull out and leave the somaliland troops to peacekeep and reconstruct. we kill al-shabab and hizb-ul-islam, the somalis unite under one force(somali force) and all of us are happy :-). However if we choose to do it the Museveni way we will be sucked into an insurgency we can’t escape and Iraq will be better than somalia. remeber Somalia’s problem is not military and can’t be solved with guns, it is social and only they can solve it. someone MUST DISSUADE museveni from invading because that wil be exactly what the al-shabab want.

    • Jasiri, if you bring the Dir from Somaliland to Southern Somalia, you risk an explosive reaction from the Hawiye; all the gains in Ximan & Xeeb and Galmudug will be wasted.

      I don’t think the leaders of Somaliland themselves would agree to such a plan.

      • then we hae to find a way to cut a deal with them. Maybe an EASBRIG prescence in Hobyo, south gaalkayo, dinoowda and bitale (creating a psychological buffer to cut of supplies incase somaliland forces misbehave) while the Dir clean up from beledweyne, Jowhar and badhaaded. after that people hold a federal election and say 4 years later a national election.

      • then we have to find a way to cut a deal with them. Maybe an EASBRIG prescence in Hobyo, south gaalkayo, dinoowda and bitale (creating a psychological buffer to cut of supplies incase somaliland forces misbehave) while the Dir clean up from beledweyne, Jowhar and badhaaded. after that people hold a federal election and say 4 years later a national election.

  264. and by all means let’s keep American invovlement in Somali neglible if we want to look credible in the eyes of Somalis. i can give the finer details of this to any Kenyan uniform interested.

  265. @ ole Nkarei

    I’ve just just noticed that you had replied to my post on Uganda’s planned invasion into Rwanda in 2001, and felt it was necessary to make a follow-up.

    What is known for sure is that a plan to attack Rwanda with 3 brigades was drafted by Kazini who mobilized the troops and even moved them to the border. The story even leaked to the press, and was made public by none else than Andrew Mwenda in The Monitor some time in 2005.

    However, something went wrong, and the invasion never took place.

    I was told once that Ugandan forward recce elements attempted to infiltrate Rwanda, but the RDF managed to deal very decisively with these; upon this, it was realized that the Rwandan intelligence was perfectly aware of the plan, and the whole thing was aborted.

    However, I can’t confirm whether the latter piece of information is correct.

    The story of M7 complaining to Tony Blair, however, is 100% true. I’m sure of it, and I remember it was even there in the media.

  266. I think an armed presence in the process of retaking somalia is inevitable. Diplomacy alone cannot work in this scenario. What worries me however is how to find an agreeable face that i malleable enough to tow the lines given by whoever topples al shabaab and steadfast enough to curve out and maintain a grip on things on the ground long after the invading forces are gone. This job requires an indeginous somali with strong backing and the skill set to run this hellhole and steer it towards a brighter future.

    True however the al shabaab are not a conventional fighting unit and forcing them to come out into the open battle field is impossible. Thats why the leadership needs to be targeted first, the people follow and believe in these charismatic leaders. It is for them and their teachings that they will pick up guns or provide shelter for the common fighter. The foot soldier in the al shabaab is mostly a hated or feared character, these are the ones who carry out outragious deeds against the common somali. Without leadership a collapse from within is inevitable.

  267. TAKING OUT THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS group should be done with surgical precision ….and we should avoid glorifying this like the USA did when hunting DOWN the infamous and later famous generall AIDEED during the ill fated black hawk down incident
    I DONT BELIEVE THAT A WHOLY TASKED AND WELL MOTIVATED AFRICAN FORCE CANNOT WIN THIS ..AS SOME VARIOUS BLOGERS ARE TRYING TO URGUE HERE..even some press is showing abvious apathy to any hint of armed intervention as shown here by MUSEVENI

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/Musevenis%20vow%20to%20conquer%20al%20Shabaab%20easier%20said%20than%20done%20/-/1066/959336/-/ktxo8h/-/index.html
    WE need to show courage and willingnes to take the fight to these thugs by all means including a three pronged counter insurgency approach from all the borders covering somalia
    SOME PEOPLE ARE saying the costs may be too high to bear but to me freedom and our way of life is at stake and we need to take the fight to these guys instead of them bringing the fight to our citizens
    we defeated shifta by going for a long time strategy that eventualy ensured that they ran out steam and ideas.
    WE simply cannot allow the situation to remain the way it is because we know the repurcussions of allowing a religious fanatism and fundamentalism to grow will simply make our eastafrican people the next frontier of unstable mediocre status quo like middle east is at the moment

  268. ANALYSTS BELIEVE KENYA is the next target and we must not let this become a reality…

    this war must be relentless and robust

    http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Kenyan-Police-Arrest-Several-Men-For-Uganda-Bombing–98609459.html
    HERE are my thoughts and fears for my country and east africans
    THE MOST LIKELY WAY THE TERRORISTS will attack Kenya is probably by using a car bomb like they did in 1998
    Kenyan security officials must move with speed and vet all jua kali garages and ensure that they are properly regulated and licensed
    they should also make sure that fuel trucks only move at night and fuel tanker drivers carry special licenses like here in the UK WITH SPECIAL MOVEMENT PERMITS TO VET OUT WOULD BE SUICIDE BOMBERS
    i know this appears like a very tall order but desperate times call for desperate measures
    WE CAN DEPLOY
    all the city askaris to visit and vet all premises to ensure comformity to safety standards.HAVE ALL MOBLE PHONES REGISTERED TO EACH BUYER so that they may be traced in case of an incident
    YOU see ONE of the discovered suicide jackets in Kampala HAD AN ALCATEL mobile phone wired as a REMOTE detonator…AM SURE you only need to identify the IMIE or SIMM of the phone in order to work out where it was bought and which network it was meant to run on and triigger the bomb
    we can deploy all the chiefs to supply local inteligence since they know which locals live in Their areas .we can deploy all the OCS to regularly liase with locals in their ares of police jurisdiction to supply information like the same we have in neighbourhood watches here in the UK and lastly we can sensitize wananchi to be very vigilante and report all suspicoius activity without fear of victimization
    MAKE use of CCTV a standard procedure in all major public venues like here in the UK WHEREBY no pub can be licensed to operate without cctv installled in place for safety purposes and future investigative activity
    IN uganda most pubs and night club joints used to have security guards screening people for weapons at the doors ..and i dont know if this was still standard practice now days…
    but am sure the way to disrupt and thwart any terrorist activity is to be on the look out and not to wait to be attacked then reacting…WE must take the fight to these guys and not wait for them to bring the fight to our doors like they have begun…

  269. I agree with spiderman on the point of not letting this issue go much further. But the situation needs to be deascalated faster than it escalates. Thats why i dont fully agree with full deployment of forces inside somalia as part of the 1st step, I say attack on the leaders and key personnel plus a special ops takeover and takedown of major strongholds including training camps. This will show the civilians that its not them against the forces. With that done, the blockade can now take effect simultaneously with the main invasion with the main force securing humanitarian aid channels and distribution on the ground. the final phase could be the trickiest, extracting from somalia and leaving a stable government in place.

  270. http://www.iss.co.za/iss_today.php?ID=989

    Very well-reasoned, IMHO.

  271. I assume M7’s promises of an offensive against the Shabaab are chest-beating. If they are not, I’m afraid things will GO very wrong. With 5,000 troops, the AMISOM has only managed to control Mogadishu – just because they have a very saturated defense. How are they going to control the Somali countryside, if even Ethiopians did not manage? Then, where are they going to get the intelligence? UPDF has no HUMINT network in Somalia, they are completely dependant on Zenawi and the US. How can you fight your own war, and rely on somebody else’s intel? Isn’t that crazy?

    I’m starting to think that the attacks may have been a provocation aimed at luring M7 into Somalia, and thus neutralizing USA’s #1 friend in the region.

    I’m sure Mr. Bashir is busy studying his options.

  272. Well,the Ugandans appear determined to do something about this Al Shabaab madness. They are ready to take the war to them.
    Museveni is not one to be intimidated. He loathes that kind of thing and will actually respond very decisively on the recent provocation by the Al Shabaab. Whether this achieves the desired results or not remains to be seen. We can only wish him well and accord him every support that we can.I bet he is willing to commit up to 20,000 troops. Uganda has this capacity and i don’t believe they are overstretched as Mugwiira argued above.
    Separately though, i think this kind of approach may not achieve much.Uganda with its massive firepower will surely win the battle but lose the war. This is because like Ethiopia before, it will scatter the hapless Al Shabaab in a matter of days and yet end up with a hostile population that will perceive it as an occupying foreign force.What is more another militia will sprout from the blue and convince the population that it is fighting to rid them of foreign occupation. With time the Ugandans will find themselves exhausted and yearning to leave.
    What then is the solution?
    In my view, we need to convince a Muslim or Arab country to go in and do the actual fighting. In this way they may not risk a backlash since the local militia cannot whip religious sentiments to rally the populace behind them. Once this is done we allow the Somalis to elect a caretaker government which they can all trust. Meanwhile the neighbours help to train a sizeable army say of 20,000 men that will protect the country and the fragile government.We then all bolt out quickly and leave the Somalis to run their affairs, only coming in occasionally with aid to help build back the country.

  273. I THINK THE ethiopians were not intrested in going into the countryside once they dislodged the islamic courts union from mogadishu
    they were hoping for public revolt and popular support plus the chipping in of more troops from the au ..but this never happened
    due to historical factors based on the ogaden war the somalis looked at ethiopians as invaders….thus the high rate of resistance
    BUT WITH UGANDANS AND other AU troops things are diffrent

  274. Okay then, let’s wait and see.
    I’ am sure Museveni will be moving in any time soon. At least he has the backing of the East African neighbours who have all promised him support be it intelligence or otherwise.
    What do you think of the AU though. I think it is fast becoming a talking shop. IGAD is even doing a much better job.
    Uncle Sam also needs to nag the UN to provide the much needed funding. If they are going to spend a whopping $105 billion in Afghanistan alone this year, then surely a mere $1 billion needed for Somalia is nothing in comparison.
    By the way if Museveni enters Somalia and conquers it, he will be the undisputed regional strongman. All others risk being branded cowards.He will then become the US blue eyed boy in the region and will be looked upon to provide leadership whenever needed. Man he will have repackaged himself and will be well positioned to even lead an East African federation if this happens to come soon.

  275. As long as the Somali crisis persists, Kenya cannot be safe. Evidently, nor can Uganda (pole sana, my brothers). Or Tanzania, or Rwanda, or Burundi, or Ethiopia…
    It is in our national, nay, vital interest to stabilise the situation across the border, by whatever means. A single solution is unlikely to work. We need to use the carrot as well as the stick. And we cannot forget the stick. Extreme prejudice will have to be applied to select individuals, or groups of individuals, and the method will have to be accurate and precise. Brute force will not do it. Specops rather than tanks. Tanks may follow later to keep the peace.
    The int’l community (a euphemism for the political agendas of the West) will have to chip in here, big time. Nairobi and Dar came before 911. They plunder our resources from the comfort of their leather settees, amidst clouds of cigar smoke (Cuban, no less) and the whiff of fine Cognac (indubitably French), whilst we die in their proxy wars and our children are starved into oblivion. So they will have to participate with their troops and/or provide their billions. Somalia must find peace and thrive. Or there will no peace for any of us.
    On another note, what’s all this about Kenya bashing Uganda bashing Rwanda bashing Tanzania bashing Kenya and so on? Talk about divide et impera. It’s all academic anyway (or should be), and from that perspective it makes a fine debate, though some seem to have taken it rather personally. We are brothers. We might not quite be the EU yet, but the EAC’s a damn fine and noble idea and our only hope for the future. Perhaps we shall in future entice Ethiopia, SS, DRC and, yes, Somalia to march with us into a bright and promising future. Our potential is boundless.

  276. Incidentally, I would like to commend all the fine men (and women?) of the Kenya armed forced who contribute to this blog. I am not of their ilk and cannot contribute to matters technical. However, it is most reassuring to see that we have such an intellectually select and academically proficient officer class as our ngao na mlinzi. If the likes of the venerable ole Nkarei are ‘mere’ majors, what then of our colonels, brigadiers and generals? I am equally confident in our junior officers, NCOs and enlisted men. Keep up the good job, men!

    • @vitruvian
      KARIBU sana to this long running blog which has gone through a series of issues some very emotional and deeply devisive but all in the interest of healthy discussions amongst our men and women
      I WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT YOU for now that according to recent developments the venerable ole nkarei has now archived full colonel..and he is somewhere in the field serving our beloved country
      AS you have probably seen from my posts i am an ardent proponent of the idea that alshabab needs to be delt with once and for all.
      The single most source of insecurity in Kenya is Somalia before 1991 only about 15 percent of crimes in major cities involved guns and mostly crude weapons ..but after the fall of SIAD BARRE and the subsequent repurcussions …90 percent of all crime in Kenya involves firearms both heavy and small these find thier way into Kenya from mostly Somalia
      NOW we have the added phenomenon of piracy and…… from from 1998 the terrorism juggernaut
      i tell you i was one of the responders to the sight after the1998 attacks in NAIROBI and spend days there seeing the worst of atrocities against civilians..EVEN THE best training does not prepare you for the impact you get when you see mangled remains of women and children who were going about their daily lives and then cut shot by these thugs

      THE attacks in Kampala have brought back these memories

      and even though i now live in the UK ..i am very upset that the oovernments in the region are not taking decisive steps to deal with this menace…. that is why i applaud M7 WHEN HE TALKS TOUGH .
      i know from past and current knowledge of the armed forces in the region especially KENYA,UGANDA,TANZANIA AND ETHIOPIA can all conventionally wipe out this SOMALIA ALSHSBAD problem very easily
      THEY only need to have political will and launch a sustained attack on the leadership of these terrorists,target their source of funds, and then give the transitional government support materially while employing a deep counter insurgency campaign against the alshabab plus devide and rule tactics for the next four to five years at least
      THE likes of uncle SAM AND EUROPEAN UNION are now very much busy in the middle east to give us greater surpport so we must take the major burden since it our people and way of life that is at risk

      • My congratulations to Col. Tom ole Nkarei on his new deputation.
        I agree that Al Shabaab and their like must be totally wiped out. The problem is that, without proper contingencies, another group will simply emerge in their place, as Al-Shabaab are simply an off-shoot of the ICU.
        I have no doubt that the region’s combined forces are militarily capable of wiping out these washenzi, whose numbers are estimated to be well below 10,000. The material cost would be prohibitive but that must be weighed against the human cost to our wananchi, the rising insecurity in our streets, the untapped trade potential (I speak not of miraa) and the prospect of prolonged military engangement should they become entrenched and decide to invite Al Qaeda to permanently settle in EA. But even if such a joint expedition were to be financially viable, the occupation of Somalia would not. We would require massive funding from abroad.
        We cannot simply ctrl-alt-delete them without providing for a stable environment that would enable Somalia to rejoin the normal world, begin to function as a state, alleviate the hardships the Somalis have been going through, create employment and educational opportunities for the youth (“al-Shabaab”) who would otherwise be recruited by extremists, etc. That is why I say that we must use the carrot (for the people) and the stick (for Al-Shabaab).
        Inaction is not an option. Afghanistan has taken the world’s greatest militaries to task. I’m rather uncomfortable at the thought of Al Qaeda HQ operating in our immediate vicinity. This is a situation that must be prevented from happening. And that will take many billions.
        M7 is talking tough, but can he really put his money where his mouth is? Can his 20,000 take out Al-Shabaab on their home soil? The comments above seem to indicate that the UPDF are not exactly equipped to do so. Ethiopia’s (mis)adventure on 2006, with a vastly superior army than2 UPDF and US support, only served to separate the wheat from the chaff. From ICU emerged Al-Shabaab.
        If we want to take this bull by the horns, and we must, we shall have to plan well.

  277. What if M7 goes in and doesnt win…contigency plans gentlemen every military ops must have one. What would be his options next after that. East African material support is not assured even if he commits his 20,000 troops, I know we have been down this road before but ill have to state it again logistics and Intel gathering are UPDFs biggest achilles. In 1992 the US was felled by amongst others lack of sufficient intel on the strength of the Habr Gedr militia, luck of sufficient armor and air support and insufficient mastery of the urban terrain in mogadishu. Looking at UPDFs current capabilities and setup i see them rushing into battle with the same shortfalls if not more and without a good way to compensate them…They would need fast agile gunships for example for recce and “weasal” purposes. Those technicals and RPGs know how to hide themselves and someone would have to sight them first or at worst tempt them out. In the region only Kenya’s mosquitos and WZ-9s fit this bill and if DOD doesnt go in on this and the americans fail to send in help they would be going in virtually blind to enemy movements and counter attacks.

  278. I AM told reliably that..(.HUSH ! HUSH! i have heard rumors) that yule kijana baba yake alizaliwa huko kogelo kenya ame jam sana na hawa terrorists mpaka anaplan mipango ya vile anaweza kusaidia sana. after hii mambo ya kura ya maoni ikipita poa next august 4th.
    SO LETS WAIT AND SEE…..

    • Good news. Hata kama ni rais yao, damu yake ni yetu. Hawezi kuignore the situation, especially since they’re also on the receiving end.

  279. bila hata kijana wa Kogelo hivi sasa ni wakati mzuri wakumu kamuwa mwamerika kwa sababa anaelewa the consequences of having a jihadist Homeland. he is over stretched and looking for some one to do the work. lets wait for his quotations in USD.

  280. @ SPIDERman – ok, let’s see. This fellow, you often see him angry with no material consequences. Moreover, he’s already embattled at home with midterm elections approaching. His intelligence crowd will likely support smth like that, but the military.. I’ll wait and watch.

  281. Military assistance has been “pledged” though i doubt it will consist of anymore than a single carrier in the indian ocean and a small contingent of delta “observers”. But its safe to wait and see how it all plays out though i wouldnt hold my breath much.

  282. The Monitor (Kampala)
    Uganda: Anti-Terror Squad Passed Out in Time for Al Shabaab

    Isaac Khisa
    19 July 2010

    The Uganda Peoples Defence Forces on Friday passed out a 196-strong Joint Anti-terrorism Taskforce (JATT) squad after undergoing a six-month training in a move to promote professionalism in the force.

    Sixteen of the trainees got additional motorbike riding skills.

    Orland Balak, the chief instructor from Israel, said the graduates have skills to counter terrorism threats of any kind.

    “It is now your duty to ensure the safety of your nation and make us proud by winning battles,” Mr Balak said at the pass out ceremony held at Nakasongola Army Cantonment.

    A total of 310 trainees were chosen from the Police Force and UPDF by their commanders but only 196 finished the training as the rest were deployed before the end of the course.

    Immediate involvement

    The Chief of Military Intelligence, Brig. James Mugira, said the new squad has completed the training at a time the country is searching for terrorists who struck Kampala city on July 11, killing 76 people.

    He said the new squad will join the already existing anti-terrorism squad to strengthen the army operations against terrorist groups in the country.

    “You are going to use your skills immediately now that the country is encountering terrorists,” said Brig. Mugira adding that terrorists do not know religion or tribe.

    Brig. Mugira criticised those reasoning that the al-Shabaab had attacked Uganda because of the UPDF presence in Somalia. “When terrorists attacked Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, were these countries in Somalia? It is completely nonsense to say that the Ugandan attack was a result of deploying in Somalia,” said Brig. Mugira. UPDF is in Somalia under the AU mandate and have a responsibility of ensuring that peace exists in the neighbouring states, he added..

    The intelligence chief said although Allied Democratic Forces rebel group was defeated long ago, some remnants are still in the country conniving with the al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda.

  283. Uganda: Army Generals Tipped for War Against Terrorists
    THE MONITOR
    Chris Obore
    18 July 2010

    The UPDF High Command is in discussion on who among the senior commanders should be sent to support an onslaught against the Somali militants if the African Union gives them the mandate to open a full scale war against al Shabaab terrorists.

    Among the commanders suggested are battle hardened and no-nonsense Brigadiers Kasirye Ggwanga and Elly Kayanja but sources said their names were “just among the options.”

    “I haven’t got any communication to that effect ,” said the army spokesman, Lt. Col. Felix Kulayigye, adding, “However, in army whether you are senior or old, when an order comes, you obey.”

    Sources said the mood in the High Command is that the al Shabaab who recently claimed responsibility for the bomb attacks in Kampala that killed more than 80 people and injured over 50 others, should be subjected to deterrent military fire in Somalia as the security organs beef-up surveillance locally to guard against any future attacks.

    Sources who declined to be named because they are not the official spokespersons of the army said that the decision to deploy additional commanders has not been taken yet and President Yoweri Museveni will make the ultimate choice.

    Ugandan officers, headed by Brigadier James Mugira, and a counter-terrorism consultant identified as a Captain Barak inspect the weaponry that will leaders at the African Union summit in Kampala.

    Col. Kulayigye said yesterday that regardless of whom the President chooses to command the war against al Shabaab terrorists in Somalia, the UPDF was ready to perform its duties under the Amisom.

    Both Brigadiers Ggwanga and Kayanja are known commanders who contributed to the NRA bush struggle with Brig. Kayanja rising to prominence after he led the Operation Wembley which dealt a fatal blow to armed gangsters who had caused mayhem in Kampala and other parts of the country.

    Meanwhile, the army yesterday said it has the capacity to decisively deal with the Somalia-based terrorists once the African Union changes the Amisom mandate in the war torn Somalia.

    “Once the mandate changes to strict peace enforcement then it means you go on offensive against whoever does not want peace with the transitional freedom government and we are ready for that,” said Lt. Col. Felix Kulayigye.

    For now, Col. Kulayigye said, the UPDF in Somalia would not attack the al Shabaab unless provoked. “We can’t attack them now because the mandate does not allow us and we will not breach the AU mandate,” he said but added: “Once the rules of engagement change, we shall not wait.”

    The al Shabaab attack on crowds glued on TV screens watching World Cup finals at the Rugby Club in Lugogo and the Ethiopian Restaurant in Kabalagala has inflamed emotions in the country against the terrorists with the majority now supporting the UPDF engagement in Somalia.

    President Museveni told the media on Wednesday that the army would go on offensive and look for all those who bombed and killed civilians in Kampala.

    “We were just doing our small mandate…now we are taking interest. It was a very big mistake on their side,” Mr Museveni said. His comments were understood to mean that the UPDF troops now in Somalia would go on offensive immediately but the army spokesman yesterday said the Commander-in-Chief would first mobilise the support of Inter Governmental Authority on Development (Igad).

    “The President proposed to them [Igad] to mobilise 2,000 more troops,” Col. Kulayigye said, ” It’s supposed to be the collective effort of Igad and not necessarily that the 2,000 troops will come from us.”

    But if Igad asks UPDF to deploy, Lt. Col. Kulayigye said, then the army would respond because it was ready to fulfill any mandate given to it.

    The army also told Sunday Monitor that the AU summit that starts in Kampala tomorrow could also be challenged on why they have not mobilised the additional 2,000 troops that were supposed to have been deployed in Somalia.

    The AU was supposed to contribute troops to keep peace in Somalia but so far only Uganda has contributed the largest force supported by Burundi.

  284. THERE ARE UNCONFIRMED REPORTS THAT alshabab have again in the north eastern kenya shot and wounded one Kenyan GSU paramilitay man and kidnapped another one during a brief but fierce encounter near a border point within last 48 hours’
    DOES ANYONE KNOW THE DETAILS?


  285. see video of the alleged attack along kenya border

  286. @ BEEG EAGLE – you don’t have to post whole articles.

    • yeah @beegeagle..it is better to post links rather than whole articles verbatim unless there is a problem
      IF you are having problems attaching links i suggest you change your internet browser to mozilla firefox which is easier to edit and post links rather than pasting whole articles through the tools menu

  287. @mugwiira… thanks..
    OFF COURSE the USA pundits will try to play cautious for now until American lives are involved..and i have never trusted that STUPID fellow Johnny Curson….
    they showed the same apathy pre and after 1998 bombings in NAIROBI
    SEE daily nation report attributed by the USA former ambasador PRUDENCE BUSHNELL who herself survived the 1998 blast because at the precise moment of attack she was conveniently in a meeting in the skyscraper Coop Bank building which was right next to the USA Nairobi embassy bulidings

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Ex-envoy blames US spies for Nairobi bomb blast /-/1056/961714/-/wevmwyz/-/index.htm

    WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WE EAST AFRICANS MUST TAKE THE BULL BY THE HORNS OURSELVES AND BIGIN CHOPPING OF ITS LEGS, NECK AND SKIN

  288. Carson is not stupid, he’s cautious. Also, having been an ambassador to Uganda in the 90’s, he doesn’t seem to trust M7 much at all.

  289. I STAND BY my opinion on THIS CURSON GUY..he was also ambasador to kenya in the 1990s before he was promoted to washington just before the republicans came to power..then left and came back when the democrats came back in 2008
    AT that time he lacked basic knowledge of Kenya politics and even showed open admiration to the status quo when most kenyans were clamaring for change
    THE person who was more enganged and is more likely to deliver in the current climate in the region is the immediate former AfrIcan affairs secretary JENDAYI FRAZER
    The obama leadership HAS simply recycled CLINTON LEADERSHIP CREW back into the state department whereby we same the same basic lack of understanding of issues on the ground that preceded the1998 bomb attack
    However the only difference is that OBAMA himself has intensive and very extensive personal contacts on the ground which enables him to bypass red tape and official channels to get to know what he wants
    JUST to give you an idea ..in 2007 when he was running for US president..i happened to be in an office with other people in a meeting with a certain Kenyan politician discusing issues when a phone call was recieved BY THIS politician direct from the man himself..
    THAT WAS THE END OF OUR MEETING as we were all asked to leave the room …
    i could go into other instances but anyway that is not our subject mater for now…
    we need to go on discussing this state of affairs whereby we are seeing ashabab becoming more emboldened..and needs halting in the tracks quickly..
    FOR NOW AM MAKING EFFORTS TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM RELIABLE contacts in the field and will share where appropriate what is going on soonest

    • The article gives no clarity as to where the incident took place and which the assignment of these GSU officers was. Unless this is intended as a provocation, it would not make sense for the Shabaab to travel 18km into the Kenyan territory (to Liboi) just to attack a GSU unit. Probably these officers were patrolling much closer to the border when they stumbled upon the Shabaab who were also doing reconnaissance.

      I mean, without further information, this incident doesn’t tell much about what’s going on at the border..

  290. I understand that something needs to be done about the insecurity but the consequences of going to war in Somalia must be fully understood. That country will remain Kenya’s neighbour forever, so it’s in our best interest to see a stable Somali.

    However, once we have an official military presence there, there is no turning back. We will have to stay the course and finish – a job that is likely to take years, considering that al Shabaab will be supported by mujahideen from Afghanistan to Yemen and all other fanatical belligerents in between. It will not be a conventional war.

    al Shabaab, which is at best, a ragtag outfit of teenage bandits (who Kenya Army can bag in a few hours), knows that they do not have the resources for a prolonged war, yet they will provoke whole regions. Why do you think that is?

    Two words: al Qaeda. Al Shabaab only became emboldened after they declared their allegiance to them. Al Qaeda is spoiling for a fight in (North and East) Africa – a strategy to open multiple fronts in this ‘war on terror’ in order to stretch the enemy (currently building up in the Afghan/Pakistan region).

    Al Qaeda is providing cash, urban warfare logistics (which includes suicide bombing techniques, IEDs et cetera) and more importantly, battle hardened insurgents, in exchange for a theatre of war. We must be very careful about what we do next.

  291. @Mwister
    SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING that we do nothing as they continue to grow and grow? and continue to mess/take our peoples lives ?

  292. There were reports that African military generals were meeting in Addis- Ababa Ethiopia to craft the way forward to the Somalia problem. Let’s wait and see what they come up with.
    Separately i think IGAD should just take the forefront and do what ECOMOG did in Liberia sometime ago. We cannot wait forever, Al Shabbab is growing.
    There are suggestions to revise an earlier UN decision barring neighbours from moving in. This means that Kenya,Ethiopia and Djibouti could soon take a more direct approach.
    http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/726537

  293. frankly that igad non interventionist stance was crafted only to pro
    tect normal functioning regimes…but somalia is a failed twenty year old problem now with far reaching global implications which will not go away just by waiting for help from the powers that be..we africans must solve this now when we are having goodwill on our side..and will you just and watch if your neighbour keeps attacking you and killing your friends and family?ihope those generals come up with a credible solutionfrom addis ababa the tfg itself wants international intervention.

  294. I would say some of these “normal functioning regimes” are as much of a threat to peace and security as the “failed” Somalia.

    I also don’t agree that Somalia is of high value as a “sanctuary” to jihadists. Too remote and underdeveloped. In fact, for the purposes of financing, operational planning and medical treatment, Kenya is much more suitable, and has been used that way for more than 15 years. The only issue is training, but you only need large camps to train insurgents – not terrorists..

  295. The international community is too shy to step in. I guess we may be all alone in this one. What we need to do perhaps is to move in and only ask for financial and may be intelligence support. This, i believe will easily be provided. No one is willing to do the dirty part of the actual fighting and this is where i say we are all alone.
    Ultimately the neighbours MUST do something or wait to perish with the failed state.
    There will be the heavy price to pay, but the contrary is even more grave.
    As soon as the Al Qaeda takes root in Somalia, it will be too late for us and we may as well prepare for an endless conflict just like in the middle East.
    We have argued about the merits and demerits of a direct engagement, but whatever method we choose WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT IT NOW. The thugs are becoming even more emboldened after bombing Kampala. At least for once i now support Museveni. He seems to be the only one now making sense to me. We cannot allow cowards to continue dictating terms to us and harassing everybody. A decisive action that sends the clearest signal will make them relocate their stupidity elsewhere other than East Africa. I know some will argue that we risk suicide bombers in our cities if we take them head on, but why haven’t they done anything to Ethiopia who invaded and occupied. Besides, Ethiopia also has a size able somalian population.

  296. @Mugwiira,Risasi,’D’,Mwistar,

    SPIDERman is right, and Museveni too.
    The west is reluctant,the AU is shy and the UN is half hearted, so who will deal with the mess?
    We are alone guys and we stand to lose even more as a result of in action.
    Soon the Al shabaab will realize that there are no consequences and therefore roam East Africa visiting terror on everybody. We are folding our arms and assuming that uncle Sam, the world’s top cop will come to our rescue. What a folly.
    Uncle Sam is probably overstretched and un-willing to open another front.
    We need to take to the skies and rain hell on these fools. They will try to retaliate, but as they do this the more we make life unbearable for them. What is more we need to stifle their sources of funds and money.Our forces don’t even need to move in we have the air force. Seal the borders and bombard them senseless.

  297. Am worried about civilian casualties. Insurgency is a slippery eel to bag its not like al shabaab members walk around with tags on their backs so sealing the border and bombing Mog and other strongholds is not a solution but a catalyst to the problem. To date somali govt. forces operate with technicals and incomplete and disimilar uniforms from the air there is nothing differentiating them with the enemy unless you have specific intel on insurgent movement tracking down a good number of them and taking them out is a huge problem. But i am not against solving this somali problem by all means lets do it we just have to be tactful about it…..

    Anyway men nazama ndani majini see you later.

  298. @’D’

    Quite right, but look we can take advantage of intelligence and bombard them hard where they are quite concentrated. Needless to say some civilian casualties are inevitable, but this is the price to pay. The same always happens in Afghanistan,Pakistan and even in the middle East. We just need to work with precision in order to minimize the damage.
    We can also hammer them hard from the air when they move out to attack government positions like they are doing now.A combination of helicopter fire and intense bombing by fighter jets might just do the trick.Helicopters will especially be useful in tracking down fleeing/retreating fighters.

  299. @ Spiderman – I am suggesting that something needs to be done urgently. I am also suggesting that only fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

    @ Mugwiira – The remoteness of Somalia may be an advantage to al Qaeda. Nobody stamps your passport when you go there. In fact, when I visit Kenya, then come back to North America, I am usually questioned about any travels I may/could have made to Somalia.
    Plus, Somalia has proven that you don’t need a sophisticated banking system to provide financing – look up the ‘Hawala’ system.

    The word ‘sanctuary’ is used very loosely these days. They are not looking for a place to call home. On the contrary, al Qaeda is looking for a reason to say ‘The infidel has invaded another Muslim country, therefore we must defend our brothers and sisters at all costs’. So, they will provoke until somebody takes the bait.

  300. Some useful piece of information:-
    http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Africa can defeat al Shabaab/-/440808/961988/-/iw713c/-/

    • @olekoima
      this link you have provided is not loading up….could you please
      please check and advice?
      NOW THAT WE ARE ALL on the same page and agree that something needs to be done..SO CAN SOMEONE COME UP with a plan of execution and possible outcomes without too much meat on bones…remember this is an open site and for those whore are blogging from areas where freedom of information is stiffled just be carefull what you write here.

  301. I propose:

    1. Do whatever possible to convince the Hawiye that the Shabaab (HSM) are a Darood-dominated force bent on taking revenge for what the Hawiye did to them in Mogadisho in the early 90’s. Use sheikhs to rally the Hawiye against the HSM. Use the clan factor to cause defections from Hizbul Islam, and use these defectors, too.

    2. Critically review the capabilites of AMISOM, establish what they’ll need to control a larger part of Mogadisho, then move SWIFTLY to expand the AMISOM area of control (before the Shabaab understand everything and start shelling the port, which they can now do after their May offensive). This will tie down a large number of HSM forces in the city.

    3. Stop this madness of trying to integrate ASWJ into the TFG, mend relations between the clerics and the warlords within the group, and use them to keep HSM under constant pressure.

    4. Finally open the “third front” against HSM from the Kenyan direction using the GSU-trained Somali youths. These cannot be 100% trusted (the Darood factor), and morale is questionnable, so start with raids and brief incursions. Those who prove themselves capable will then be used to lead larger units in more daring operations. Give these guys proper CAS.

    This will wear HSM down, and at some point it may be possible to engage those in their ranks who merely want to rule Somalia. But until then, everyone should maintain as seriously as possible an uncompromising stance against HSM.

    This, in my view, will give you control over the situation. But if you want a “final solution” for Somalia – no idea, sorry.

  302. To the members that advocate in using the K.A.F to smoke them out this is what it translates to.

    Cost of lifting an F-5E for ground attack roles.

    2xM39A2 (280 round per gun) @US$1dollar
    2xAIM-9M Sidewinder @US$85,000 Air to air missile
    2xAGM-65 Maverick @US$160,000 Air to ground missile
    2xMk-84 500 lb. GP bombs @US$3,100[1] (appropriate and cheapest in the armory)

    Fuel: 677 gallon (2,563 L) @US$2usd per liters = 1,400km radius
    1×275 U.S. gallon (+/- 1000ltrs)external fuel tanks tank to get a extended range/loitering timeof +/-1hour

    Total ammo cost/Fuel (excluding maintenance and services) for lifting a bird in one sortie
    USD 502480 = 40,977,245.53 Kes [@ 81.5 usd] + 1 billion Kes cost of the fighter. Assuming the fighter will crash on take off

    Minimum expected ammo to be used in such sortie average:
    1x AGM-65 Maverick (harden bunkers or precision targets)
    Fuel: 677 gallon (2,563 L)
    1×275 U.S. gallon (+/- 1000ltrs)external fuel
    2xMk-84 500 lb. GP bombs (for compound demolition)
    100 round 20mm bullets (sporadic fire)

    172,300.00 USD = 14,051,065.53 KES
    2x sorties per month to prevent regrouping per Fiscal year
    4,135,200.00 USD = 337,225,572.62 KES KES (excludining aircraft service and routine maintainance)

    fighter always fly in pairs one being a wingman/escort.
    Cost of lifting an F-5E for
    Escort roles
    Configurations:
    4× AIM-9 Sidewinders@US$85,000 Air to air missile

    Fuel: 677 gallon (2,563 L) @US$2usd per liters 1,400km radius
    1×275 U.S. gallon (+/- 1000ltrs)external fuel tanks tank to get a extended range/loitering timeof +/-1hour

    346,000.00 USD = 28,216,301.06 KES
    [@ 81.5 usd] + 1 billion Kes cost of the fighter. Assuming the fighter will crash on take off

    Minimum expected ammo to be used in such sortie average:
    Fuel: 677 gallon (2,563 L)
    1×275 U.S. gallon (+/- 1000ltrs)external fuel
    6,000.00 USD = 489,300.02 KES
    2x sorties per month to prevent regrouping. minimum per Fiscal year
    144,000.00 USD = 11,743,200.44 KES

    Total cost of one squadron in a Fiscal year

    4,135,200.00 USD { 337,225,572.62 KES } +144,000.00 USD {11,743,200.44 KES}

    4,279,200.00 USD = 348,968,773.06 KES per Fiscal year
    (excludining aircraft service and routine maintainance)

    N/B Expected 3 year combat operations. Contemplate

    I think covert ops will be fine for know.

    who will guarantees that Kenya will not be attacked by a neighbor as we stock pile back our ammunitions after the operations. Our armory will be depleted and weak. This is the cost of just 2 Fighter for the mission in a year.

  303. @Mwistar,
    So how do we go about the whole thing? You agree that something needs to be done and more so URGENTLY.
    Give us your thoughts on how best we should go about the issue.It is not just enough to exercise caution. Time is running out. Somebody must start something.
    Some interesting story here:-
    http://www.luvei.cm/?p=1904

  304. @SPIDERman,

    Sorry i don’t know what is happening with my links. Checking and will post them again shortly.

    @Risasi,

    Thanks for the analysis. This is indeed very costly. However, you got it wrong a little though.What i meant is that we share this burden as regional states. It should not be done by KAF alone. Ethiopia, Uganda,Kenya,Sudan and Tanzania all need to come on board. Besides i argued that we ask for funds to finance the war effort so that we do the actual fighting since few are willing to do this dirty bit. This being a regional affair means that we don’t run the risk of being attacked by a neighbour when we will be restocking for they will be doing the same too.
    From your analysis you have included air to air missiles, i reckon this won’t be necessary since Al Shabaab has no air force. We only need air to ground material and more specifically bombs.

  305. Egypt ,Libya and some North African states are contemplating on the issue of a jihadist home land to their existing fundamentalist groups.

    I my opinion we are not in great risks as compared to the N.African states. They know this is their time Bomb. I the long Run it will affect them more seriously. Let them come over and commit themselves first. In Due time the Jihadist will be going North rather the South. We will do our part and safe guard our boards. We have leaved with the Somalis ever since.

    this should be the time for setting up regional Comm Centers , liaison Offices e.t.c. but so far nothing has been proposed.

    my analysis involves two parts with different costs:

    1. Cost is the financial risk partaken in each sorties. the unit cost of an F-5E + its amour i.e. its is the maximum financial risk/investment place as the aircraft is airborne. And the stake to be lost if we loss the aircraft. This includes the air-air missile

    2. Cost is only the ammo and fuel we expect to be used in a sortie .
    (Minimum expected ammo to be used in such sortie average)
    i.e 3000liters fuel, 100 bullets and 2 free fall Mk84 dumb bombs twice a month for 1 year arrives at

    4,279,200.00 USD = 348,968,773.06 KES per year

    N/B
    a. no air-air missile and bullets fired from the escort plane are in the above calculations.
    b. no air-air missile will be fire from the ground attack F-5E. this too are in the above figure.

    • Agree absolutely with your North Africa thesis. Jihadists are a serious security threat to East African states, but not an EXISTENTIAL threat as they are to Egypt or Algeria. We should keep that in mind.

  306. I will not present any detailed military strategies since I am hardly qualified. However, Kenya must come to terms with a few things:

    There is the Eritrea problem. That country has a vested interest in an unstable Somalia (probably to further their cause in the border disputes with Ethiopia and Djibouti). They have been accused of supporting al Shabaab with arms shipments and funneling cash from ‘unknown sources’.

    Ships flying the UAE flag also supply Somalia with weapons. In fact, the pirates hijacked one late last year which led to a tense stand-off btwn the pirates and al Shabaab. The ‘pirates’ were outgunned and al Shabaab eventually ran them out of the Mogadishu port.

    We can’t have our cake and eat it. Nairobi is a money laundering hub amongst other things, and we are more than happy to do business with plenty of illegal Somali interests (in direct contravention to UN Sec Council 1907).

    The way I see it, we must blockade Somalia – which will require the co-operation of many, including the League of Arab States (of which Djibouti, Yemen, UAE and Somalia are part of).

    There is already an international flotilla present in the region (although it is only protecting specific economic interests), plus mercenaries like Xe and Secopex, patrolling the Gulf of Aden – their mandate would have to be stepped up.

    Only then can military raids frustrate the al Shabaab to submission. But, if they continue to get reinforcements and financing, we may go in and thrash them in battle, only to wait a few months then get retaliatory attacks on our soil.

    • I admire you courage of posting your picture. One thing you need to get correct is that the U.A.E is not linked to al shabaab. its not like U.A.E to do so and it will not like to disappoint the US in such issues. Yes ships with U.A.E flags are operating in that area but these are ships registered in U.A.E thats all. that doesn’t link the U.A.E gov,t to that crime. Most of Somalis merchandised comes from Dubai. hence ships from that area(U.A.E) sail often. Scrupulous Captains have “EXTRA CARGOS” from Yemen and Afghanistan via Iran.

      The ship that you are referring to is that Al shabaab rescued was a Saudi Arabia vessel and not a U.A.E

    • Neither is Ethiopia interested in a stable, united and strong Somalia. Thus their divide and rule game.

      Eritrea is interested in such a Somalia which would pose a problem to Ethiopia.

      Both play their games in their own interest (with Eritrea also acting as an agent of Egypt and Sudan at times), and I would desist from describing this situation in “good guy / bad guy” terms.

      Most Eritrean assistance has in fact been to Hizbul Islam rather than the Shabaab. They have a long-time relationship with Aweys and his crew.

  307. @ D – I want to go back to something that we discussed more than a month ago.

    You mentioned that “the tanks in our stores are the T-72 AV variant. they retain the original hull design and engine of the mother T-72s ours have 2 fundamental differences, first is the laser range finder installed post acquisition and the Kontakt explosive reactive armours”.

    There is something which left me wondering. T-72A is an upgrade of the original T-72 which was introduced in 1979 and featured, among other improvements, the TPDK-1 laser rangefinder.

    T-72AV is a T-72A with Kontakt armor, first introduced in 1986.

    Of course, before delivery, these T-72’s would have been fitted with all new Kontakt explosive plates (at least I hope so), but reactive armor as such is not an upgrade over the original T-72AV.

    Also, any T-72AV would already have a laser rangefinder. Do you mean that some new model was installed?

  308. @mugwiira
    please do not divert attention from alshabab now and bring as back to tanks …WE are dead focusing on this menace for now
    ….

  309. Couldn’t help re-surfacing for a quick breathe, on a SatCom link – get shot if caught,; and whoa, guys, what is this hell-bent gang-ho drive to greater engagement in Somalia you guys have been pushing? Lets all take a quick step back, military fashion, and re-think this whole thing developing, particularly your rapid-fire, hip-shooting responses to it. First of all, and thinking Globally, we must all know that we are at world-wide war between two diametrically opposed cultures, one on the ascendancy due to new money and an exponentially exploding population, the other dominant and decadent and on the descent due to it predominantly predatory and antagonistic base – read the the neo-Islamic juggernaut versus Judeo-Christian civilization. This infact is a centuries-old struggle hat began with the Saracen / Crusade Wars for Jerusalem, now probably now in its tail-end cataclysmic finale. There have been no clear winners thus far, and victory has oscillated from one to the other. Essentially therefore, in simplistic terms, all wars of the previous 600 years may be so defined. In the 20th Century, the bastion of resistance of the Judeo-Christians shifted from Europe to America (USA) and have with some measure of success kept this conflict away from the motherland by fighting it on the peripheries in all manner of places. Their carefully ignited wars have served to sapped the energies of their adversaries, a vent pipe, and therefore postpone the exportation of this violence to America. 1st and 2nd WW1 & WW2, against the Chinese in Korea and Indonesia, against Russians with the Arab Wars, in Central America against Cuban /Soviet influence, the Soviet Moslem (Chechnya, Azerbaijan) Republics along the Urals, in the last line of defense along the Himalayans with the First & Second Afghan Wars. But in the later part of the 20th Century, the Islamists have gained from their intrusion and infiltration of the Western Financial and Military Sectors, grown rich beyond imagination on Oil and its off-shoot Investments. In the Nineties, they began to take the battle closer to the Judeo-Christian bastion (the opening salvo loudly clear with twin-towers take-down), who have increasingly engaged in a desperate struggle to keep this as far away from their homeland for as long as possible. Critically therefore one must not only interrogate the origins and purposes of the sparks that ignite such local conflagrations as the Kampala Explosions, and also more so the deliberate drive made in all media by all manner of persons including contributors to this blog to generate consensus that we are at risks greater than we know which require deepened military engagement. America is trying to spread the risks to as many of us as possible, and delay the inevitable implosion that seems imminent in America itself of home-grown 5th-column-type terror groups igniting a new much more dangerous war-front inside America itself. I am in-theatre right this instant, and from this distance nothing will be served by increasing the visibility of our Troops inside Somalia, to any African except Uncle Sam. Risasi, Mwister and “D” aptly state, with the hindsight of their personal involvement and understand of matters military, that East Africa should stay this present course, definitely augmented and with urgency( convert / black drapes ops, Intel and local interdictions, disinformation and sabotage, extreme prejudice take-outs, hearts-and-minds operations, etc). This is what will stablised Somalia eventually, not the large-scale deployment of munitions and boots with vengeance in their hearts. So that a critical mass evolves that counters the influence of the Al-shabbaab inside Somalia itself. We have done this with increasing success since the sixties, against incredible odds I might add. Any Uniforms will tell that UG hot-ride into Somalia will require Kenya to extricate them to save their bacon sooner than later. Guinea, Senegal, Djibouti providing aggressor-units into this complex maelstrom of unconventional conflict is the joke of the year. I urge the hot-heads amongst you to step-back and re-take this thing, friends!!

  310. For those of you who were quick to dismiss my argument that UPDF is overstretched with its Somalia deployment:

    http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/963676/-/x2masg/-/index.html

    • Of course 3000 troops are going to be over streached. the article was talking about the troops in Somalia not the entire capacity of the UPDF

  311. @ ole Nkarei – I agree with your conclusions, but not with your “clash of civilizations” view, especially with the notion of “Judeo-Christian civilization”, a relatively new term used in American politics to justify the America’s unconditional support of Israel.

  312. “We are one of the most efficient armies in Africa. We can defend our country from anywhere, even within Somalia,” Ugandan army and Defence Ministry spokesman Lt-Col Felix Kulaigye
    At times like this, of national introspection and fear, the Masses must be fed Hope. Perfectly sensible and expected strategy by any government which claims legitimacy of governance. Moreover, an act such as this challenges to the core the very foundations of the Bandit-king’s ruling edifice, which is his monopoly to violence that cower the population into subservience. Therefore it is not entirely surprising to listen and read the staff coming from the Brass and Politicos in UG in reaction to this dastardly act. And the Jury is still out (like Risasi opined earlier) about whose handiwork this was. That LRA is still as relevant in UG as it has been over twenty years is all but forgotten by my buddy Spiderman – Men, I tell you, this Al-Shabaab I know well, and they ain’t half-grown drugs-fed teenagers led by cutthroats of the LRA. Their motivation, field-craft, Intelligence & cell-organization, etc would make many G2 and G3 in formal armies swell with pride, I tell you. Do you reckon we shall allow UG to gallivant around our backyard to assuage the pride of a Bandit-king like in the Congo, CAR and GoSS with the same results of self-perpetuating anarchy? With a half-baked Military, and no strategy beyond going-in-and-giving-it-to-them? What do you suppose will happen when they get their arse kicked, in short order, as they will, and the Somalia galvanizing the imagination of every Islamic idealist in the world, ( as happened in Spain in the 1920s) as well as anyone else who gains from giving Uncle Sam a bloody nose? What of the Decades of hard work and sacrifice of thousands of Kenyans to pacify ( to a whimper) the fractious and quarrelsome Somalis
    @mugwiira – either you aint a student of Military History, or selective in its interpretation. I am a soldier, a damn good one, and like every good one I know value of understanding it well. No new terms here, unless you have only just heard of them – Judeo-Christian reference has been a fort of philosophy for decades, man!!

  313. @ ole Nkarei – we are going off-topic here, but I want to reply.

    No mainstream philosopher apart from Nietzsche (and I wonder whether Nietzsche was indeed mainstream) has used this term, “Judeo-Christianity”, implying the special relationship between Christianity and Judaism, since the days of early Christianity in 5th century AD. It was resurrected by American Jews and their Christian sympathizers in middle of 20th century for political purposes. The Catholic church never had any more sympathy for Jews as compared to Muslims. If any crusader in, say 13th century, dared to refer to a common “Judeo-Christian” cause, they would’ve burnt him as a heretic.

    It’s amazing however how this notion is being skilfully manipulated by both sides in our “War on Terror” times!

    In fact, the term “Abrahamic religions” (including Judaism, Christianity AND Islam), while also being relatively modern, is some 100 years older than the notion of “Judeo-Christian civilization”.

  314. @Mugwiira – touche’. I will take you on this up later, now I gotta get back work. Please keep this blog pointed right direction, to avoid calling in the shots too close. But as a last lick, if UG goes in with the carte blanche their Brass and Politicos are calling for, Kenya will stop them by Force of Arms! Such action has only a feel-good benefit, and against our real Strategic National Interests. And without Kenya’s tacit and complete support, Political / Intel / logistics, UG will only get bogged down in this quagmire that is Somalia, and slowly get picked-off. Hell, guys, the near-term future of Kenya, which to a large extent hinges on the development and complete integration of the Northern Frontier districts into the National Economy, is strategized as dependant on our exerting a degree of control in this Area, which will be impossible if this present low-grade attrition-type conflict in Somalia is aggravated by such a bird-brained, jump-before-you-look scheme which lacks strategic focus nor clearly defined tangible deliverables, and neither any degree of success. Out!

  315. @ole nkerai
    @mugwiira
    TERRORISM as we know it today did not exist until someone created the state of ISREAL…
    HOWEVER MUCH you guys want to spin this …and even quoting from the deep anals of history…i dont see how you are equating the activities of alshabab to THE activities of saladin etc ..and my fear is that at this rate we shall start quoting even genjis khan …..
    SERIOUSLY are WE saying that we do nothing least we attract more jihadist to our midst?
    WE HAVE SEEN what they are capable of doing
    SO IF INTERVENTIONISM is not the way forward…what are we doing to contain this clear and present danger?
    While i can largely concur with most of your sentiments on these issues…my heart bleeds just thinking that your ideas form the main stream military thinking philosophy within the top brass in OUR country?
    ….and i could be mistaken but am getting this feeling that you guys are seemingly changing the focus of this discussion from the problem at hand…I FRANKLY dont see any success to stifle peoples out rage on this matter.

  316. i think this daily nation writer has summed up the way forward….something needs doing soonest

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/Time%20to%20give%20al%20Shabaab%20killer%20punch%20%20/-/1066/964212/-/3br1kwz/-/index.html

  317. Spiderman – as you under the illusion that this blog is a Strategy Planning Platform for Military or Intelligence activities? Lemme dissuade you, buddy, it ain’t. No matter how much you may want to rivet discussions on this one subject, it only a talking shop that we throw up ideas and exchange pertinent information of interests or commonality – is all, buddy. How much of this influences Planning eventually is really delusional to contemplate. We express personal view-points, or exchange personal experiences. It is also a perfect site for disinformation, for propaganda, running CI Stings using all manner of noms-de-plume. Historical antecedents give perspective to discussions, and even Genghis Khan will have valuable lessons to impact – not meant to engross in irrelevant details such as you imply. Lastly, I take good cognizance of the fact that the slave-trade was in the first instance perpetuated by Africans upon Africans – of course encouraged by Western Economic Interests. But the Village Chief that supplied the Arabs slavers with his cousins, brothers, relatives and people of neighboring villages, was an African himself! Be calm, Spiderman, there is no new threat coming from Somalia, my brother.

  318. I HAVE READ on some blogg somewhere that perhaps we should set mungiki against alshabab …i fear that then they wont stand a chance….what a brilliant idea
    maybe all tribes in kenya should pool resources ie the luhya can muscle in with the dreaded angola msumbiji thugs, the kisii will spice up with the chinkororo …them mix in a few kamba,masai,turukana and samburu worriors ….JOB DONE ..no army or GSU involment…they can sit in their baracks and enjoy…
    ANY WAY JOKES aside what did those generals who sat in addis come up with?

  319. @ole nkerai
    am perfectly aware of the implied modus operandi of majority of blogers on this site and am not under any illusions that this blogg supllements any military or inteligence activity..
    BUT AM PERFECTLY happy to play second fiddle and give any would be strategy planners who are “frequently” stambling onto this site something to think about….SOME of the material you guys supply here would make most analists extremely resource full ….i would imagine

  320. Take it easy, Pat. And your ears to the ground. Am in-theatre with a whole lot of chaps. Remember, generalisations and intelligent suppositions, eh? On an aside, you recall the Doctrine of Controlled Chaos as a Military strategy? Anyway, we cannot be reactive to these chaps, rushing to to smoother them with smoke and thurder – that gets a lot of guys needlessly dead. But we will shaft them, make no doubts about it.

  321. This is an interesting article about the Somalia situation titled ‘The Deadly Enigma’

    http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/somalia/articles/20100725.aspx

    • Not without some good points, but an extremely one-sided description of Somali history and culture.)

  322. @ ole_ nekeri I find your statements of calling a legitimately elected president of a sovereign nation “a bandit king” irresponsible and abusive. Whatever inclinations you may have against UG and M7 I ask that you keep them private for the sake of not drawing this blog into “rough path”. At times like these people take attacks on mother nations a serious aggression even for people like I who have sworn allegiance to other nations. So like I was advised sometime back lets stick to mature debate.
    Now what you are saying about the AU giving UG the mandate it needs; even if it is not granted, the UG government has already found another way in because the TFG is willing to give them that mandate. http://allafrica.com/stories/201007190808.html so either way we should expect a huge military presence in Somalia.

  323. @tororo
    this is not the first time the TFG has asked for help…there was even a message for the UN by the TFG authorizing use of force to help them fight these thugs and piracy but NO one has yet to accept the challenge
    AND EVEN if Uganda takes up this challenge..the logistics involved will be so massive such they need external help from other players for them to make any significant moves in SOMALIA…and .USA HAS pledged support so we wait to see.

  324. @ Spiderman – True the sooner the whole EAC comes together and fight these terrorists, The easier and quicker it will be for every one in the EAC. I can’t belive there is anyone who is against the armed intervention of the other arican countries apart from the people who are profiting off this caous in one way or another.

    • Tororo, the only problem I see with this argument is that those who profit most “off this caous” are apparently all in favor of “the armed intervention”. 😉

  325. THERE seems to be consensus that the AU mandate is now changed from peace keeping to peace enforcement
    see this link
    http://www.africareview.com/News/AU%20offensive%20on%20al%20shabaab%20gathering%20steam/-/825442/963532/-/item/1/-/nlteng/-/index.html

    • Not really. They have adjusted the mandate to allow for more permissive ROE’s allowing AMISOM to pursue the Shabaab more agressively if attacked. I doubt the utility of this considering that UPDF has not ventured deep into Shabaab-controlled territory for the reason that it will make their armored vehicles highly vulnerable to ambushes.

      The AU cannot grant a “peace enforcement” (Chapter 7) mandate. Only UNSC can do that, and at the moment it’s not even being discussed.

  326. WHO is this who has appointed thyself as moderaters for this site? was there any notification to bloggers?

  327. A Ugandan T-72A lost in Mogadisho.

    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100702/481/urn_publicid_ap_org5009065ea8cd4b1691cad84b4ba966ab/

    1. We now have photos of Ugandan T-72’s (scroll further for more).
    2. Note that it was knocked out in an almost textbook fashion. The areas targeted are the ones which don’t have applique armor: the engine, the fuel tanks, the chassis and the driver’s hatch.

  328. Mugwira i doubt the picture shown is a T-72. Thats a T-55. Note the location of the fume extractor at the extreme end of the main gun instead of the middle part.
    I also noticed you asked about upgrades on the T-72AV. I think we are on the same page on the armor plating on those tanks, its the sights that need clarification. Unfortunately i can only say these tanks dont have the normal laser range finder they also have some FLIR capabilities for nocturnal combat. Armed forces get specific upgrades for their hardware alot of times.
    Sorry for steering out of topic guys. I just thought our brother deserved an answer.

    • Yes, you are right, it’s a T-55! The gun, the rear turret, and then, FIVE wheels.. I was probably falling asleep, don’t know how I made such a funny mistake.

      Some time between ’05-’07 Ugandans were so keen to get some T-72’s that they even wanted to pay for them from M7’s “private fund”, so I thought for a moment they’d pulled it off.

      But the more important thing I wanted to show is that urban combat against the Shabaab won’t be easy. Unlike Kony’s gangsters, they don’t run for cover when they hear a BMP engine, and it seems they are getting training on anti-armor operations. If the UPDF follow the typical NATO template of tanks and infantry advancing together, it will take forever. If they send in specops assault teams however, their losses will increase considerably, which will be a problem because UPDF has few trained commando units.

  329. Ooh, what a loss. This is a heavily modified T-55 tank, but how exactly did the Al Shabaab manage to destroy this tank? Do they also posses anti-tank capability? Man Portable?

  330. you know wat guys,when updf was moving their armement to somalia,i was at the port of mombasa and i know most of the equipments they ship over there.

    there is no T-72 within updf inventory in somalia.thats a falacy.

  331. Well, the Ugandan variants of the T55 are the Bulgarian-modernised “M” variant and they come fitted with reactive armour. 90 units of those were delivered to the UPDF in 1998

    http://unhq-appspub-01.un.org/UNODA/UN_REGISTER.nsf

  332. Dangerous.I think fighting in the more urban areas will then require the services of commando units. The Al shabaab might prove to be a hard nut to crack after all. I guess it gonna get bloody with more troops arriving. A good thought out plan is indeed needed here.
    Anyway thanks for the info Mugwiira.

  333. Thanks BEEG EAGLE,but don’t they have other models? I thought they had T-62s as well.

  334. The UPDF in 2009 also acquired a total of 46 UNITS of T-55 tanks from RUSSIA and BELARUS( 23 from each country)

    http://unhq-appspub-01.un.org/UNODA/UN_REGISTER.nsf

    Moving on, going by what I heard in the international media, the mandate of AMISOM still remains as it were -NO CHANGE from PEACEKEEPING to PEACE ENFORCEMENT but the troops now have the authorization to launch pre-emptive attacks when they have intelligence reports pointing to an imminent attack on their positions by militants.

  335. No,they don’t Olekoima. Trust me, I have kept an eye on the logs for so long that it would have scarcely escaped my notice. At the time when they acquired the first consignment of T55s in 1998-1999, Africa was literally going crazy over that tank.

    With the Angolan and Ethio-Eritrean Wars in full swing, they were acquired in stupefying numbers viz

    ETHIOPIA(1998)
    50 units of T55 from Bulgaria

    ANGOLA(1999)
    62 units of T55M from Belarus
    150 units of T55AM2 from Slovakia

  336. Year,but i’ am sure they will find a way out of this peace keeping approach. At least they are now allowed to attack if they have information of an impending attack. This is an improvement.
    Separately, i don’t understand this T-55 obsession by Uganda.Why can’t they buy better tanks? I know the T-55s are relatively cheaper and one can amass a lot, but surely a few examples of say T -72s will be handy for Uganda given her uneasy relationship with Sudan.

  337. Well Olekoima, with the glut of refurbished tanks coming out of the East Bloc and as more and more ex-WARPAC states join NATO, a decent but possibly not the latest T55 can be grabbed for US$500K while a T72 can be acquired for US$700K. It all depends on the funding levels available to an army.

    What seems apparent though is that the MAINSTAY tank across Africa remains the T55. Nations continue to ramp up arsenals of T55s, most acquired in the post-1995 era…from Angola to Ethiopia, Uganda to Eritrea, DR Congo to Sudan, Chad to Mali the story has been the same….a real love story. In the cost and the numbers which can be quickly amassed appears to lie the attraction. It is a rugged and easy-to-maintain system too.

    My brother, I have NEVER believed that the solution to ANY raging African conflict lies in the tepid approach that is known as peacekeeping. It hardly ever works in Africa because there is no peace to be kept in the war-affected zone anyway. It takes no soothsayer to see that most African armies are not keen on going to Somalia given the currently operable rules of engagement. It is like going into a battlefield without the banana clip of your AK-47. Of what use would the rifle then be?

    Come on, imagine what the DR Congo would have been today if the MONUC forces there did not have the peace enforcement mandate. It would have been a lot worse.

    In West Africa, ECOMOG tried peacekeeping in Liberia between August and September 1990. The troops actually landed when the rebels were one mile away from capturing State House. On the day that President Doe met his death right at the HQ of ECOMOG’s Ghanaian Force Commander, peacekeeping was inevitably changed to peace enforcement . ECOMOG had been jolted from its lethargy. It was a full-blown war and it had to be fought, so naval artillery from Nigerian missile craft rang out and Alpha jets began to bomb and strafe rebel positions around Monrovia.

    In Liberia and Sierra Leone between Sept. 1990 and the year 2000, NEVER AGAIN was anything else but PEACE ENFORCEMENT acceptable for or applicable to ECOMOG operations. It is something for all of Africa to think about.

  338. beegeagle is right …IN Africa past experience has shown that peace keeping never works..REMEMBER what happened to the initial Kenyan peacekeepers in SIERRA leone?…A NUMBER OF MEN WERE LOST until the mandate changed drasticurly..then the Kenyans reacted to enforce the mandate with the help of the rest of the contigent.
    IN ANY CASE now in SOMALIA.. THERE is no peace to keep …the country has been at war for 20 years now for gods sake…so when these guys are attacking and destroying tanks…i dont see why this is not now open warfare…

  339. Do you guys see the UNSC granting the Chapter 7 mandate?

    I don’t see how, for example, South Africa will commit its Marines to Somalia as requested by AU without the mandate changing.

  340. Plus, how cohesive are the AU troops currently in Somalia? It’s been suggested that there is mistrust between the AU and the TGF. Will additional troops necessarily help the situation?

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/africa-readies-2000-additional-troops-for-war-torn-somalia/article1653310/

  341. Please take a minute to look through this piece, gentlemen.

    Believe it or not, UGANDAN INTELLIGENCE sources are quoted as suggesting that ADF-NALU insurgents may have carried out the Kampala bombings. How plausible does that sound to you?

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/Africa-Monitor/2010/0728/Next-challenge-for-Congo-International-terrorism/(page)/2

  342. also take note that a gsu police officer was injured on the kenya/somali border recently.raising concerns to kenyan security forces

  343. @ BEEG EAGLE – both Risasi and myself has suggested some time ago that these attacks could’ve been the work of some sort of local cadres. I am not sure however that their identification/labelling as ADF/NALU is correct.

    More here:

    http://independent.co.ug/index.php/cover-story/cover-story/82-cover-story/3249-security-find-new-clues-on-the-terror-attacks-

    Please bear in mind The Independent is not a 100% reliable source of information, but probably a better one than Mr. Jason Stearns (of congosiasa).

    Nothing is really clear yet.

  344. @ BEEG EAGLE – FYI, apart from the T-55MV’s which you mentioned (by the way, out of those 90 pcs, 60 were from the Ukraine but re-exported via Bulgaria), UPDF also operates some T-55AM2’s which is a further upgrade with “horseshoe” reactive armor:

    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Somalia-Unrest/ss/events/wl/051006somaliaunrest;_ylt=Akln25qHK5taYj1Kk8uDrYSZsdEF;_ylu=X3oDMTFlcWFuNHZ0BHBvcwMzBHNlYwN5bl9yXzNzbG90X3NsaWRlc2hvdwRzbGsDc2xpLWV2LWxpbms-#photoViewer=/100728/photos_wl_afp/1e95185da1341fbfaeba2eae4cca298b

    These tanks are in fact even cheaper. Your figures of $500K and $700K must already include all the bribes and intermidaries’ commissions. The suppliers’ prices plus freight are some 20-25% lower. Well, at least that’s what it was in 2007 when I last checked.)

    Prices will likely keep falling because Russia is about to retire many of its T-72’s, some from the reserve, and some due to replacement by T-90.

  345. @ mwistar – the chances of AMISOM getting a Chapter 7 mandate from UNSC are, IMHO, near zero because doing so will put UNSC’s reputation at stake. I don’t think any permanent members will put their reputation into the hands of UPDF or a similar force.

    • meanwhile as they differ on what to do….things are heating up…..
      i think some one is pushing some other out fit against alshabab now..
      http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000014901&cid=4&ttl=Border%20security%20intensified%20as%20rival%20militias%20clash

      • That, I guess, is not “Hizbul Islam” as said in the article, but Ahmed Madobe and his Ogadeni boys who used to be called Muaskar Ras Kamboni before at-Turki joined the Shabaab. I don’t think there are any forces loyal to Aweys left in Juba.

        Madobe has been set to try counter-attack the Shabaab since they kicked him out of Kismayo earlier this year.

        As for WHO is supporting Madobe, I guess some people over here can tell much more than myself, I wonder whether they’re authorized to do so..

        In the meanwhile, it seems in Mogadisho the “real” HI have re-joined the Shabaab in their fight against AMISOM after several weeks of negotiations.

  346. @Mugwiira
    I MUST admit here that your intricate and at times very “intimate” ? knowledge of these tribes and clans leadership in this murky world of Somalia is very impressive….and more so the real goings on there….HOW DO YOU MANAGE THIS?
    ANYWAY please keep it up …HOWEVER
    IT SEEMS the KENYAN leadership is trying real hard to enlist help from the big five at the international level
    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Kenya%20seeks%20UK%20support%20in%20Somalia%20militia%20fight/-/1056/966924/-/12vir2q/-/index.html

    BUT to me i think the big five will only became proactive when very soon a Somali linked terrorists will strike somewhere in the western world.THEN THEY will see the very nature of this threat.
    I SINCERELY HOPE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN and pray that the western powers give the East Africans all the help they need to eradicate this menace

  347. Wow. Have the Ugandan security agencies suddenly turned extremely efficient, or..?

    http://256news.com/page.php?aid=1434&caid=1

  348. @ SPIDERman – there’s in fact plenty of open-source information on Somali clans and armed groupings online. It’s very difficult to get any idea of what is going on without some background research, as both sides apply deception on a massive scale.

    Also, these days it’s very hard to get information on what is happening in Mogadisho. If you read something like this:

    http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/727207

    – you will get an impression that TFG/AMISOM are expanding their area of control. In reality, they have merely regained some ground which they lost in recent weeks. The locations mentioned are all within 1km of Villa Somalia. This is a familiar pattern where the Shabaab would launch an offensive, withstand a counter-offensive, reinforce while harassing the AMISOM with mortar/sniper fire, then attack again. An aditional 2k or 4k troops will probably only help stabilize the situation.

  349. These dances around the mandate issue are a diversion. The only purpose they serve is to divert attention from AMISOM’s own limitations and point fingers in the direction of something as vague as “international community”.

    It must be stated emphatically that “peace enforcement” is not “war”. Its goal is not “victory” in Clausewitzian terms. It is not a coincidence that it is classified as a military operation other than war (MOOTW).

    What M7 is talking about is not peace enforcement, but a mix of COIN and occupation. Even if AMISOM is brought to a 20k strength level, it cannot launch a COIN operation across Southern Somalia.

    If AMISOM wanted to take control of the whole Mogadisho, they could’ve done it even with the existing mandate. The updated one removes any possible ambiguity altogether.

    In early 2009, it was still possible. Today, it is unlikely, unless artillery is employed on a scale which will produce such resentment that the Shabaab will have as many recruits as they want.

    The AU is being made a scapegoat in the current situation where there seem to be no good options.

  350. @mugwira Go back home. You are abusing the hospitality that has been accorded to you by Ugandans. You are an equivalent of a guest who comes to a home insists on using the master suite and having caviar for dinner. Time for you to leave go to wherever you are from and let Ugandans and their EA brothers solve their problems. Its not like you were giving any insightful advise anyways.

  351. Au contraire Tororo i think mugwira hits it just right. His knowledge and resourcefulness as to where to get info on what is going on on the ground is more than anyone on this blog knows or is willing to let on. Uganda has painted itself into a corner on this issue. 1st by refusing to even acknowledge somaliland as a sovereign state on any level it is isolating a potentially priceless asset if M7 gets his way and sends large numbers of troops into the somalia theatre. Ethiopia, Djibouti and Kenya are the only East African states that have made positive steps towards recognitiopn of somaliland. Of all East Africans Uganda needs somaliland the most to act as a FOB in cse of any large scale assault on al shabaab. Remember these bandits are in themselves not a unitary unit. They have internal divisions the al shabaab in dhobley for example might not see eye to eye with those from the greater mogadishu on some issues.

  352. Tororo, you are back to your usual bad manners again. Cannot we differ on opinions of interpretation but still be civil to each other? Must we always agree with each other? Isn’t this an intellectual forum on Military and Intelligence matters? You speak only for yourself. Mugwiira is a professional and a damn good one at that. What he expresses are views a whole lot of Uniforms find constant value and truth in, including many that have not expressed themselves. I for one find convergence with his expressions, and find good value in his opinions. C’mon, man, chin-up and allow for some divergence of opinion.

  353. D – I don’t disagree with his knowledge of other issues especially on Somalia. What I find annoying is for someone to deliberately paint a wrong image of a country that is hosting him. There are so many inconsistencies with his points as regards UG and I wonder why since he is in the country. Why not take time to find the actual truth and leave whatever prejudice you have behind.
    @ ole-nekeri am yet to get to the “bad” manners. (You know like calling an elected president a bandit king!). I think I have been restrained so far.

  354. Maybe Tororo the more pragmatic route to follow is point out exactly what Mugwira has said that you dont agree with and strive to set those matters straight. I suspect you dont agree on his comments on ugandan intelligence reliability but i am also of the same view point. Not only of ugandan intelligence but also of most of african countries as well including our own NSIS. I am also critical of the CIA above all other intel outfits because given their connections and technological abilities they sure do gaffe alot. I find it weird that no one was able to pick up on the recent kampala bombings before they happened yet all over sudden unexploded vests are cropping up left, right and center. It means someone has been sleeping on the job and has just jolted awake or someone is doing an extremely enthusiastic job at a cover up for whatever reason.

  355. @ Tororo – you accuse me of two different things:

    1. That I am DELIBERATELY misinforming everyone on Uganda. I can assure that I have no such intention and no motivation for it. If you can show me where, and how I have done that, I will apologize.

    2. That there are inconsistencies in what I said. Please note that a piece of information can only be inconsistent WITH something, it can’t be “just inconsistent”. If you show me what is inconsistent with what, I will be grateful. What we do here is have a discussion.

    And I don’t think it would be reasonable to start making personal attacks. Bear in mind that you told us you serve a foreign power, so I can in turn question your motives.

    • Mugwiira I can’t remember exactly all your words (and would not want to misquote you) but some statements like “the UPDF is over stretched” are totally misleading. I don’t know how long you have been in UG but they had or are still having a massive retrenchment exercise and some of these soldiers are still looking for employment (some constitute that kiboko group) I know so many highly trained soldiers (including an Uncle) who are “sited” doing nothing and people like him could be called up if there was ever a need for man power.
      Now as regards the intelligence am as skeptical as anyone and am still talking to people in UG to get to the bottom of this. For a service that was able to foil the terrorists who were supposed to blow up the US embassy in KLA at the same time Nairobi and Dar bombs were going off, it’s a little bit peculiar that this time they failed to find them. I have heard all kinds of theories that this may have been let to happen because the affected were mostly middle or lesser class of individuals and this collateral damage was to be used for political gain. Now carrying a terrorism charge could be truly a capital offence for anyone who may be unfortunate to have such a label. Don’t get me wrong though, Al-shabaab committed this heinous act but I know they could have been stopped. Somebody deliberately let this happen and am just waiting on my sources to confirm this.
      About me working for another nation, when I took the pledge of allegiance, I meant every word and this was before I got this Job but I qualify for dual citizenship and therefore I can always come to the Aid of the other nation without any kind of bias

  356. @ BEEG EAGLE – You often quote the ECOMOG operation in Liberia. I agree that its lessons are relevant to the Somali situation.

    First, the mandate is not such a big issue as many seem to think. After all, a foreign force can do practically anything by simply entering into a “foreign miltary assistance” agreement with the host country. You don’t even need a real legitimate gov’t; in Liberia, ECOMOG’s operation was sactioned by two governments, one which ceased to exist (that of Doe), and one which was fictional (that of Sawyer).

    Second, while the ECOMOG mission was successful in the end, it was actually messed up from day one. Its original purpose was to protect Doe from Charles Taylor’s NPFL rebels, but by the time the force was deployed, NPFL controled most of the country, and ECOMOG forces immediately came under attack. Then, Doe himself was killed two weeks later. Talor’s forces tried to capture Freetown from ECOMOG but failed. Freetown was controlled by ECOMOG most of the time while the countryside generally remained in NPFL’s hands.

    Eventually, what ended the conflict was not a military victory of either side but a deal between Nigeria and Taylor which was made after it was realized (after 4 years of fighting) that neither can “win”. Taylor was then propelled to presidency.

    Third, it is important that the deal was only made after Abacha replaced Babangida. The latter’s problem was that he once was a big time friend of Doe and disliked Taylor.

    Fourth, it is also worth noting that the pressure which was put on NPFL by other insurgent forces supported by Liberia’s neighbours also helped push Taylor towards an agreement. However, there was also serious response in the form of RUF which was Taylor’s creation and caused immense suffering in Sierra-Leone.

    Fifth, the Liberia operation proved to be a very heavy burden on Nigeria’s economy. This is important because many seem to underestimate the costs of a prolonged military exedition.

    The main lesson I think is that denying a victory to an insurgent while maintaining a pressure on him from multiple directions can give a positive result provided that at some point you can reach out to the insurgency, or at least certain elements within it. However, a “pure” and decisive military victory in COIN warfare is a much more problematic thing.

    P.S. After I finished, I realized with amazement that you can reach the same conclusion when studying the US COIN experience in Iraq.

    • Nice write-up, Mugwiira.

      At the CORE of all considerations relating to the Somalia situation is the impact of the state of insecurity on the overwhelming majority who happen to be civilians.

      ECOMOG in 1990 and ECOMIL in 2003 WERE NOT formed to fight against rebel forces per se. They mustered with the specific mandate of ameliorating the humanitarian catastrophe facing the civilian populace at the times and to PREVENT ANY unconstitutional change of government. eventhough the basic decision to enter Liberia was taken by ECOWAS Heads of State, this was heavily underpinned by enormous pressure from the USA and the EU.

      To the extent that ECOMOG and ECOMIL led to the abatement of the humanitarian crises and prevented rebels from taking power UNCONSTITUTIONALLY, both fulfilled their mandates.

      In 1990, a third of Liberians were crammed into the capital, Monrovia, as IDPs, another third were scattered around West Africa while the rest existed behind rebel lines.

      The killing of President Doe & hostile action by rebel forces forced a unilteral abandonment of the peacekeeping mandate in preference for a peace enforcement effort. ECOMOG seized the capital and thereafter set up a series of Interim Governments of National Unity which enjoyed ECOWAS,OAU and UN recognition. Taylor was forced to retreat to his hometown of Gbarnga, as ECOMOG took over some strategic towns and garrisoned same as civilian safe havens for the benefit of the war-weary populace.

      Much of the fighting which characterised the war thereafter consisted of attempts by rebel forces to expand their control and/or to push the ‘interloping’ ECOMOG out of their country. This was ALWAYS resisted with heart and might by ECOMOG troops and not once did Taylor come near a realisation of his dream of seizing the state by force of arms.

      It was HIS own realiZation (not ECOMOG’s since their mandate was CLEAR-CUT) that a forceful takeover of power or forcing ECOMOG out of Liberia were IMPOSSIBLE that he acceded to the ECOWAS peace treaty and his eventual victory at the polls in 1997.

  357. OBAMA EXPANDS MILITARY INVOLVEMENT IN AFRICA – training and equipment for Uganda, Anti-Terrorism financing for Kenya, Special Forces training for DR Congo etc

    http://beegeagle.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/obama-expands-military-involvement-in-africa/

  358. @ Tororo

    You have skipped the “deliberate misinformation” point, but nevermind.

    “Overstretched” does not only mean sheer troop numbers.

    It is easy to assemble a few thousand “retirees” (who weren’t actually properly retired or moved to reserve, thus the word “on kateebe”). It is much more difficult to equip them and to supply them abroad. Somalia isn’t next door like DRC.

    Then, for example, UPDF is remaining with a single fully operational Mi-24, while no offensive in Somalia may be possible wihout attack helicopters. Thus, if you followed the recent AU summit, you’ve noticed that Uganda was asking for US money to procure choppers for AMISOM, but the answer wasn’t positive.

    Further to this, serviceability of the UPDF T-55’s is questionnable. There are some recent deliveries, but if those all go to Somalia, what will reamain in Uganda?

    But even where troop numbers are concerned, things are not that simple. There was no proper “retrenchment” exercise. Instead, many soldiers were simply sent home, and the actual strength has declined to abt 30k. Does UPDF have a database of this “reserve”? It’s not difficult where commissioned soldiers are concerned, but how are you going to recruit rank and file? By placing adverts? But how are you going to make sure the force isn’t infiltrated by, say, ADF?

    Then, the AMISOM mandate is extended every 6 months. How can you recruit soldiers, send them to fight when they know that after 6 months pass, there may again be no future for them? What will be their morale?

    Also keep in mind every unit has a “personality”. Cohesion and trust are of primary importance, especially in a foreign country with potent insurgency. What will be the cohesion of such hurriedly assembled units?

    I have not heard of any example where a force for peace support operations was assembled from reservists rather than dispatching units from the active force. And I wouldn’t want Uganda to be the first country to embark on this dangerous experiment.

    And, you can have a double citizenship (but not in Uganda, they still haven’t allowed it as far as I know), but you cannot have a double allegiance. It’s not possible to sit on two chairs, at least not forever. Things change. Like, who will remember today that in 1994 Robert Mugabe was appointed an honorary Knight by the Queen?

  359. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_re_af/af_uganda_explosions

    I find it weird that this wasn’t mentioned in any major UG newspaper.

  360. What amazes me is that, if everything is true, this trio operated in an absolutely brazen manner. It seems they were caught because they were using the same phone to detonate the explosives and to make regular calls. Moreover, all their SIM’s were apparently bought from the same vendor. Lastly, they kept travelling back and forth between Nairobi and Kampala even after July 11th.

    Which probably tells us these guys were “expendable material” rather than high-profile terrorists. I wonder how many more of them have been trained.

    The fact that they were getting money from the Somali community is also very telling. I don’t buy the story that they were corced into contributing.

    The problem for M7 here is that Amina has been the first family’s cashier for quite some time now, and the Somali community in general has been quite a nice cash flow contributor. Therefore, an all-out crackdown is not an option.

  361. I ain’t directly in CI stuff presently but I am looped to “funny stuff” coming through this vector. I know one of these three chaps in Kampala Court, from a distance that is – from surveillance pics and reports on him. He and several hundred others been under surveillance of some hush-hush Kenyan unit (not the ATF!) for couple months, from their one-off or repeated contacts with known and suspected sleeper cells across Kenya growing out of the Camps up north – these shadow chaps brought the uniforms into the loop on the usual need-to-know thing. Now, these chaps in Kampala Court? – nothing even close to being terrorists, their contacts with Al-Q through multiple cut-off blinds tightly compartmentalized /near airtight secure. These Al-Q chaps know their stuff, learnt it from the best in this sordid business, I tell you. Penetration and compromise damn near impossible,Period!! So what you read in the Press about UG “breaking some terror Cells, and their flooding the media with success reports” is just hype! – Probably trying to reverse this sting themselves, at best. Those chaps in custody in Kampala are mere crumbles offerings, like Mugwiira says, expendable, planted to mask the scent. Their culpability with the Kampala events at best as pack mules. UG intel has not the foggiest, chasing their tail that insidious someone is wagging for them. A chap arrested by Kenya a few metres from the Somali border a day after the Explosions? C’mon, guys!! Pinch at a time, is my sagacious advise.

  362. Looks crooked to me…as always there has to be a missing link or something really fishy in this kind of saga. Notice how there is something connecting some keys names among them a neighbouring country,a person closely linked to a powerful person, implied connection to a known militant group and the cropping up of this story through a foreign source rather than local press? Whats the connection between all these big names?…..Smells like another disinfo campaign to me.

  363. As concerns the Historical debate on Ecomog / Ecomil in Liberia, and possible parelles to the UPDF dilemma in Somalia, I am intrigued and enlightened by the posts by Beef-eagle, and Mugwiira’s riposite of these. I find that the arguments are really two sides of the same coin. We know that Military History is often obscured by the myriad of factors, data, that is available (and sometimes not available) for study primarily because tactical disinformation and the deliberate obfuscation of facts is a necessary strategy of War. And as each side usually tells its story, with time it results in the victor’s story taken root or acquiring a precedent in the retelling of it. But the insight offered by both of these guys is really top-of-the-shelf stuff, exactly the quality needed in this blog, and I thank them for it.

  364. I am only out of the cage for a short while, so please allow me empty my clip all at once, guys. Talk about an escalation of UPDF involvement in Somalia, about a meatier more preemptive mandate, about increased boots on the ground (20K, M7 bragged!) etc. was rife a while ago when I went in, driven by Pat and some others. Told you this wouldn’t happen, hell, that we would stop the UPDF by Force of Arms if necessary. Well, so now it is clear that the Chapter 7 isn’t forthcoming, and the Kampala AU meet was predicable to the dot. I opined that COIN and the other CI programs we are already running inside and outside Somalia are the way to respond to Al-Q AT THIS TIME. If you have followed events lately in Somalia, you may have picked out a confusing mosaic of activity developing, some of it out of character thus far. From where I am seating, and I am damn close to it, I see not one indication of an immediate change in strategy or direction; without prejudicing present ops in-theatre, I tell you there is a hell of a lot of sanctioned activities not planned to take-off this soon that have come on-line, very heightened aggressor search & destroy extreme-prejudice sorties with anincreased latitude for local command control with each insertion stick, and our rules changed now with limitless room for interpretation of the weapons-free prerogative by these chaps. Hell, we have been at war in this theatre for a decade and we pretty much know what is needed to do are doing a damn fine job, if you ask me. Ama “D”?

  365. @ ole Nkarei, D

    The story actually found its way into Sunday Monitor, but still not into New Vision, which is unusual considering that it’s supposed to be big news:

    http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/968186/-/x2pnhw/-/index.html

    At a second glance, there are few comprehensible details. What we are told is basically that they were traced by analyzing the pattern of cellular communications. It is not implausible that their role is being talked up by the investigators; or that the suspects assumed such importance intentionally to divert the attention of the investigators.

    We are also being told that these three were arrested in Nairobi on 22nd and immediately transported to Kampala. They were only charged on 30th. Regardless of the legalities, a week is very long. If the information is true, it probably means that at the time of arrest, the investigators didn’t know which charges to prefer, and the decision was only made after a lengthy interrogation.

    There is one thing which stands out as very unusual. According to the Monitor story, Hussein Agade was involved in the execution of the attacks ALONG with support and logistical activities including recruitment of suicide bombers, transportation, development of local cells and extorting finance from Ugandan Somalis.

    It is well-known that those involved in “support” activities are always under close surveillance by CI organs, so no serious terror group – AQ in particular – would use these for execution of lethal attacks, which are instead carried out by several small teams, each with its specific assignment (recon, assembly of explosives, strike).

    For over a week, both Vision and Monitor have only been running stories about the teenager arrested in Nairobi and identified as Issa Ssenkumba, who “provided valuable information on the links between Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda” (quite a revelation from a mere courier!). The Observer was publishing poorly edited stories about “Pakistani paymasters” and a “Yemeni mastermind”, which looked like a diversion to me. I wonder whether more surprises lie ahead..

  366. Tis not space-science that Americans are frantically trying to spread as wide as possible the risks of unraveling their Cultural war with Islamic Civilization, desperate to open as many fronts of this as possible away from Afghanistan where they have lost all initiative and energy in the fighting, so as to extricate themselves before the inevitable rout– trust me, if they stay in Afghanistan, they will be kicked out , and this time the risks are horrendously impossible to contemplate – of a Nuclear-armed Pakistan as collateral to this imbroglio (recall how the dominoes in Indo-china dropped after Hanoi collapsed to Viet Ming forces?). So they carefully construct a “plausible’ legend of a “common clear & present danger” to our Collective Nationhood, to fool us Africans into a fratricidal war with each other that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and whose winners remain hazed in the disinformation the Americans are spewing! Old story of the African continent since the sixties, Mugwiira; you wonder where these eloquent “updates” are coming from, and the who planted this stupid diversionary tale of the little boy they are touting in the press in UG? C’mon guy, just who do you reckon is running point in this Investigation in UG? We all know the capacity of the UG boys in CI and COIN, tis not a national secret to any one in Uniform, I dare say -a large sieve compromised by all manner of outfits. Pat asked just what metamorphosis the UG Intel chaps have undergone lately. I will eat my boots if indeed this murderous activity in Kampala is credibly proven the artwork of Al-Q – and I am not their apologist either.

  367. Hey “D” what;s your take on the L86A1 – SA-80 ? Done any testing with your crew yet? Apt for you chaps or too gainly?

  368. “I reject this new form of colonialism through terrorism” – M7.

    And what about colonialism through counter-terrorism?

  369. THE L86A1 – SA-80 rifle to me seems to be not necesarily a reliable weapon for use by the K A.
    THERE HAVE been no sales to any other country ….only jamaica has got this weapon for its forces
    THERE MUST BE A REASON WHY foreign SALES of this are very low ….most likely the cost being the leading factor..
    I HOPE we are not intending to buy these wholesale because i think we can make better use of money.

  370. @mugwiira
    @tororo
    @olenkerai
    @beegeagle@
    @”D”
    I HAVE not done any input on this SOMALIA/ALLSHABAB fiasco lately…the reason being am trying to connect several dots and pieces of information that have come up and due to your varied inputs from you guys…
    ONCE i feel comfortable i will respond where appropriate…but on the whole i must say the quality and variety of your inputs is very encouraging .

  371. The L86A1 received a lot of bad publicity, mostly due to poor operation under hot and dry conditions in the First Gulf War.

    http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_SA80.html

    I do not know whether it’s all 100% justified, but the fact stands.

  372. This is good reading…i have also come across many documentaries here in the UK TV channels detailing the problems with this weapons system hence my thinking that this is not ideal for kenya however the kenyans can test and see for themselves
    THEY can give some to the GSU for testing who i think their basic weapons handling training in kenya is one of the best and most comprehensive.

  373. I wonder what has annoyed president Goodluck Jonathan. He is issuing threats, may be the reason Nigeria has not lived up to her pledge of contributing troops to Somalia.

    http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article35838

  374. The Brits got nearly 250K of these and they seem to have finally decided for the M16 as their infantry trench-tool. Typically of course the dump-site is good old Kenya. “D”, Jasiri, AT (ulienda wapi jo?)Risasi, lemme see your view on this junk, if your chaps have taken it through the paces yet. The Deltas think it is crap wouldn’t go in with it – we just did across the border and the thing stinks, guys. Mugwiira, you know any other fools using this piece of chuma as a standard? Have you any flattering reviews anywhere of it? Eeisshh!! By the way, Pat, the GSU chaps are pretty good with their standard issue AK47 (now replacing with some shorter / stockier/ lighter Korean version) and the Recce chaps preferring the AKM74 heavy in tandem with an UZI integrated silencer / HK MP5 integrated silencer for wet-work, but you really want to see those Deltas or the Rangers or “D’s or Jasiri chaps dancing with whatever their personal / preferred long gun to know just how good we’ve become!

    • Sometimes i just wonder, who the hell makes this decisions to buy such pieces? SA80 should be bought for the anti-stock unit and the A.P. the situational realities are changing hapa, i for one would not jump neck deep into dhobley or wherever with a catridge fed machine gun. unless we buy ’em, modify (like the jews did with the galil/AK) and make it box fed. or what say u colonel?

  375. Apparently, Oman bought the SA-80 in the early 90’s but no longer uses it, Jamaica, Mozambique, Papua New Guinea and Romania (and probably Zim, not sure) received some free of charge.

    The SA-80A1 is not without advantages, it’s reported to be well-balanced and accurate, but the problems are too many. The A2 is said to be much better, but it’s not on offer, I understand.

    Another nice review of A1:

    http://www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/sa80.pdf

  376. am really upset that after all the hype …i appears that it is kenyan terrorists who seemingly bombed ugandans..watching world cup….HOW BAD CAN IT GET?;

  377. Pat, Risasi advised a cautionary approach, even opining the possibilities of internal element in the UG. But you started shooting from hip, brother, hell-bent on raining bloody hell on harpless somalis. Certainly you must know theat legends upon legends upon legends that these convoluted games of espionage is weaved from. There are no kenyan terrorists that bombed Kampala, Man. These chaps seating in courtrooms in Kampala are unlikely to know anything worthy using, being as far removed from anything of substance as any credible intelligence officer (of Al-Q or any other group) might be able to create. You end up barking up every tree in your neighbourhood, shaking your half-ripe mango trees and destroying years of CI operations with nothing to gain for it. Me, i trust the Americans as far as I can throw them!!.

    • it also doesn’t make sense to me. if the shabab wanted to carry out such an atack, surelly with people like Fazul and recently arrested al-americani, they would have sent in some qualified personell who would not have wasted good, and expensive, C4 due to incompetence. 2, since when did a courier know so much about al-q? it just doesn’t make sense, i belive info on such operations are on a need-to-know basis and a courier certainly needs to know nothing more than the point of the drop. 3, this represents a new M.O for the shabab. kwani weren’t this men feeling like being welcomed by 70 virgins? something is amiss here.

  378. the whole kampala bombing saga stinks to high hell with espionage crap it has more twists than a mexican soap and truth is something never meant to be found in the near future…mark my words the drama isnt over yet.this story has stars and stripes painted all over it. as for the SA-80A1 even the brits would rather load out with an M-16 or trusty old G-3 at stony athi. the magazine on this rifle empties really quickly with very little punch, the recoil is well tempered though, comfy to handle and light weight too. what puts me off from it is its tiny internal parts and how they easily get clogged with sand and mud…bush grants worst nightmare a weapon that requires cleaning like a surgical tool.id rather stick to my mp5.ive not met the A2 yet and from what i hear no one outside the UK will any time soon.

  379. Dang-right “D”. Tis not much more than pimped-up a lady-gun the SA-80A1. Had a near mutiny about this silly Iron during trials-under-fire recently across the other side, some chaps just dropped them in fire-fights and picked up rusty sickly AK47 off the field, man! So we come home and half my chaps haven’t the silly thing, and the QM raising hell asking where the f… his precious British toys were, and what the hell are the rusty AKs doing riding home with the Deltas!! Still haven’t put out this fire yet!. As for the A2 – that is touted as an improved version from HK, but we have tried it too and it seems to me like the story with the Land-rover 110 supposedly improvement of the Land-rover 109 Version III – you and I know there is not one improvement done, a sales pitch to sell British products that have long lost competitive value. Probably it is about time we started our own Equipment Industries, eh? Lastly, the Bandit-king will not change his stripes ever! Read between the lines of his recent his statements about “self-defense” etc..

  380. Hitting the nail on the coffin of the SA-80:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whlIpT6zLWk

    I didn’t want to refer to this video at first because they’re basically making fun of the Brits, but having read the comments from others, I feel such an attitude may be well-deserved.

  381. Seriously ole nkeri what with the tagging of “bandit king”?And you talk about unruly manners? Like you got a few of these then I will loose all courteousness for you and you know where that will lead. That is totally disrespectful and if that is the route you are choosing so be it. When it gets ugly don’t turn around like nobody ever told you to stop.

  382. Come on Buddy! Just a little bit of ribbing, is all. You know this is an open site, and I reckon you also know the wide readership it has gotten. I frequently transit through these countries including UG, covert, and I don’t wish my neck strung because I made direct reference by Personal Name to “someone” . My nom de plume is ole Nkarei, (tis not my real name) so I create one too for the “someone” to create deniability. That is all, really, brother Tororo. It is possible to draw a correct profile of someone from little bits such as contributions to blogs, you know, for any competent CI Outfit. Don’t take offense. Give me a code-name I can use without causing you offense or making direct reference, and I will. Sawa, bwana?

    • Then my appologies if you mean what you have said above

      • My word on it, brother. Meant every word of it. Gimme a code word that will not give offense.

      • All is well as long as it’s not intended as an insult. You can even call him baldie. But now I really don’t care that much since I now know your intentions. See the office of head of state carries such important significance that even for a person like me who has never taken part in any of UG’s electoral process still hold this office in high regard (it may be something indoctrinated into people here where I am) but I have seen and heard even M7 biggest critics like besigye and late obote still refer to him as president M7 when addressing him but a side nickname is not bad as long as its not intended as an insult.

    • How about the “Mad Hatter”?

  383. Can we move to something else folks? This Somalia business is becoming bloody boring. After all the hype, there seems to be no change of tactics-things will go on as they currently are.

  384. But that is exactly so, Olekoima. Give us your take on this new British Scam to off-load their now useless Infantry rifle to kenya. No mention of Somalia in last couple of days exact by yourself and Pat. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme, as the French say, and for any strategic thinker, it is better this way than jumping head first into a situation that has not been clearly illuminated without any winning strategy except raising the body count amongst hapless nomadic civilians in Somalia, as some of you have postulated in this blog!

  385. Thanks Ole Nkarei, i retracted my statements on the Somali issue after going through the well thought out explanations from You,’D’, Mugwiira, Mwistar and Risasi.
    Will give my thoughts on the British weapon shortly. Thanks again.

  386. Ole Nkarei your QM must be having a fit!!!i can picture his face during debrief….funny!!!but truth is that weapon in my opinion belongs in a drill line not a battle field. The british never learn, tried fooling us with the LR 109/110 trick. Then they tried shoving the very much overpriced an overated vickers MK7 down our throat good thing we didnt fall for it and now a over 200K SA80’s?….Sad part is they recommended this iron for spec forces, airborne, and ranger bttlns. Its a handsome piece but i prefer my killers ugly. We really should start our own gun factory. We all know firearms are built around its chambering, and since we already have an ordinance factory fashioning a good indeginous rifle around the trusty old 7.62mm shouldnt be out of reach. the brits should learn though that the word Kenyan and stupid are not synonymous.

  387. @’D’, are there any customers for the Vickers MK7? Must admit i haven’t seen even a single picture of this tank.
    The British it appears are kind of getting frustrated in their weapon sales that is why they are attempting to push all manner of funny stuff to their former clients.With plenty of cheaper and more potent stuff around, these customers are perhaps spoil t for choice.

  388. Ndivyo ilivyo, bw. Olekoima. Unakumbuka ile kisa ya Landcruiser na Murungaru? By his signature of re-routing Police Transport purchase orientation to the durable hardy cheaper landcruiser, 2500 jobs lost in the Landrover factory in the south of England six month later. The fate of the first post-moi Unity Government was sealed with that one act of independence. Clock-and-dagger ops, British SIS w running riot through Kenya with a carte blanche to put the African in his place and return to the status-quo they set in Kenya when they “granted independence”. Were M-O-one Prezzy then, we would wiped out their operatives in days. We knew then, shadowed their every move, documented Audio/Video/personal statements, etc.. But the Gentleman from the “Slopes” would have nothing of such bloody wet work. The results – 2007/8 three months of Hell! But lessons learnt well, guys!! These Brits are even pushing to off-load to us Body- Armor first used with fatal consequences in Basra, and supposedly improved for Afghanistan. Always a multi-pronged effort – you take this, I give you this free, I bash you here hard, hard!! Eeiiish!! Like “D” says, time we went the Israel / South African we, and we have all we need to be just as good as them, and even earn some forex in the burgain.

  389. Talking of body armour …by the way what sort and type do KA forces use these days?..am yet to see any soldier from KA in full body armour regalia ….other than the good old sufuria type head protection gear during those glorious march past parades…
    HERE in UK any general who sends soldiers to the battlefield without any body armour risks loosing his job …the public here are so paranoid about soldiers protection that you wonder why they start wars in the first place.

  390. Body Armor in KA are unit-specific, Pat. But again not all Units are in Harms-Way at present in Kenya. Eventually not one Uniform will be sent out without body armour. Pat, that Sufuria-type gizmo you rightly disdain isnt part of our fight-kit for years man!

  391. Delta normally use kevlar with ceramic plating…but then again like ole nkarei says it varies on a unit to unit basis. Those sufuria type helmets are largely ceremonial or training kit.

  392. AP News Flash “Somalia: Soldiers kill 15 militia members” Well, Pat?

  393. Flying passed Embakasi 17 00hrs. +3 Armor pieces observed 12 o clock of 50 ACB Heli Field. Tanks types? affirmative. Olive Green/Desert tan? unclear, basking on Freight mode, Ensigns, markings vague partially covered. T-55/T-72/Vickers3 unlikely. Dimensions + + . Gentlemen Any thing? extra deliveries????. Couldn’t manage a second pass

  394. Heh! Heh! Wacha hiyo, Riasi. Some fellas thought the Brits were overreacting by forking out to the Somali Pirates their MV Faina hit!! I posted here months ago that this ship was shadowed by Satellites and Hard Assets from its port of loading all the way to the point of Hijack, and real-time intel fed to these Somalia brigands with the exact point of intercept worked to a foot! Even the manner that the news was flashed across by the world by Networks we all know work under Intelligence Organisations of certain countries, particularly BB.. and the detail of the consignment hijacked, their point people shooting up with an incremental disinformation campaign in Kenya – the whole thing stunk of British Intelligence from the word go. What would have a measly 33 tanks done to British Arms Industry anyway? So you wonder if there has been continued deliveries, or similar and other complimentary stores? That is the only thing that would have stung the British to action in the manner they did, Risasi!! Endelea kutega masikio, bwana!!

  395. One thing I found amusing about the Faina sager, was how the news was reported. It went like this “it is SAID that the consignment is heading for the southern sudan”. My question was it is said by who? the C.I.A ?, Mi5 ? mossad? that part was left vague and no agency come out to point a finger at our nation on the allegation. Secondly Bashir looked calm and unconcern about the whole issue with regards that these tanks were alleged for his Nemeses (SPLA). He should have been the whistle blower and hence making the most noise. But instead he was relaxed. It was a media circus aimed at publishing our Armor in public for our neighbors to see.

    Hivi vifa at Embakasi had western concept unlike a soviet ones. i.e western tanks relay on bulkiness and heavy armor for protection while soviet relay on light faster tanks. I would zero them for used Challenges or leopards. Looks like some is trying to woo an old friend back and smoothen rough edges. A classic imperialistic typical approach.

    N/B
    The Uganda tanks that were seen on the national day parade were Chinese T85IIM and not T-62. it seems Uganda doesn’t have any t-62.

  396. How about the Indian-configured T-80? Heavier Silhouette, squatter, slightly higher than T-72. Fits your description, buddy? The Centurion and Challengers will not be in our inventory no matter what the Brits do. Tumechanuka, joo!!

    • ya tumechoka nao lakini this guys are good in giving gifts and aid when you start looking away from them. ya T-80 can fit the dimensions.any way tutajua mengi after.
      whats your take on katiba?

  397. Risasi, you are actually right on the Ugandan tanks. I don’t think they have any T-62s, i have tried to search for links in vain plus none has ever been observed in action or in parade.
    They have some Chinese T-85IIMs for sure, at least i have a link for these, but they are very few and perhaps for parades only.Even Sudan has a few of these too.
    @Ole Nkarei, you seem not to like the idea of the Centurion or the Challenger, i thought these were decent tanks and will easily fit into our arsenal given our past defense orientation.
    Besides,you cannot rule out some refurbished Centurions from India.In addition, what Risasi is saying could be true. I recently came across information that Britain plans a major downsizing of their armed forces including retiring a huge slice of the tank force and the air force where more than 50 fighter jets will be phased out. I will post the link to this. It is then possible as Risasi alleges that a ‘gift’ might bring back an old pal. Just thinking.

  398. I notice the consignment when it was at my 8 oclock couldn’t have a proper glimpse. Infact I was busy counting the MD500 on the heli port. I haven,t see such numbers parked on a standby formation. And for the blogs info they were more then 20 gunships unlike 8 as stated on the blog. They were 4 in each row and more then 4 rows in total. Plus in Nairobi’s approach we criss crossed 2 MD500 heading for the Ngong ranges, not to mention those that are in FOB at lodwar. The MD500 count is very healthy and impressive.

    On the issue of the armor in question I tried drawing some prospectus but it couldn’t fit any.

    1. if they were Mk3 on a stop over in Nairobi then they should be stationed at Langata or Kahawa as usual. unless they were being shipped out of the country. Tanks movements within our country is done by road/rail.
    2. if they belong to the AU in Somalia why would they be in transit in Nairobi. They can be shipped/flaw directly from their capitals to Somalia
    3. they didn,t seem to be olive green as expected for Kenya tanks. they looked to have a desert tan or faded green Camo. That’s why I called them used or items brought for trials or evaluation unlike new ones that would come in our desired Camo colors.

    i thought that army guys could know more on them. One thing for sure they seemed larger the T-72 . N/B the MK3 and the Challenger share the same manufacture and spare parts. These are my observations and nothing official. otherwise lets wait and hear more.

  399. It is a a pity my link above is refusing to open, however go to Google and type the words “Britain-Unprecedented defense cuts” and you will get a whole menu( from different sources) touching on what i have posted above.
    Sorry again for the misbehaving link.

  400. Caught a whiff your sighting may be Brazilian, Risasi. Under-wraps testing, their push into Africa through Kenya. Headed up north shortly. Derivatives of the good-old Vickers, similar stats and abilities to the mothballed MK3 successor. Not sure it will fly here, lakini. Hell, cannot hide smoke under a blanket no matter what! Olekoima, I have nothing against the Challenger, mate, but for the lopsided cost-benefit analysis results of it comparative to other Ordnance of equal ability and considering the size of our economy and impeding challenges facing us in the short term.

  401. copied Ole Nkarei. EE-T1 Osório
    not bad looks robust.

  402. the EE-T1 Osório may not sell here unless they give some very heavily discounted prices.HELL even the brazillian army did not buy these tanks made in thier own country by private venture?..my guess .is.GOSS…
    THE BRAZILLIAN army was to order 300 of these but this never happened

  403. Just a weather balloon, guys. We aint easily duped. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc.
    However, in the changing geo-political realities of our region and the growing confidence of the emergent Economic Powers to mix it with the old countries, a lot of things are possible. Some of the old Cold War manuvering, sort of. Pat, from where you are seating, the heigtened activity in Puntland looks like it is orchestrated by?

  404. There were only two prototypes of the EE-T1 Osorio that were made so i don’t think these are the tanks that Risasi saw.
    In any case no one has alluded so, Risasi merely posted a remark on a possible Brazilian tank.
    The two prototypes were given to the Brazilian army after the manufacturer-Engesa went bankrupt.
    If i read correctly, Risasi said above that he saw 3++ tanks.
    Something else other than the Osorio is possible.

  405. @ SPIDERman, GOSS is not likely to handle western oriented weaponry any time soon. Brazilian weapons are pro-western in origin.
    I think it will make a lot of sense for GOSS to stick to the Eastern origin T-55 tanks which are not only cheaper, but easy to maintain as well.
    Besides,GOSS is currently in the process of converting their force into a modern army and are suffering considerable difficulties in the process, having to train in every aspect. It will amount to a total confusion to re-train in western origin tanks before they even learn to use their current inventory of eastern origin tanks.
    Kenya on the other hand may not face the same bottlenecks as the young GOSS force and may find it easy to integrate eastern origin weapons as was the case with the T-72s. After all the military has been in existence for much longer and has undergone quite an extensive training on use of various weaponry.

  406. @ole nkerai
    i wish not to comment on the activities in puntland just now for very compelling reasons primarily because of some “friends” from the SOI in ISIOLO have intimated some information that binds me to keep off for a while…YOU NOTICE i have not touched that subject tangu juzi despite some kind temptations from sources herein…
    tafadhali we will revisit hii maneno baadaye.

  407. The story has changed again:

    http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/975852/-/x3a9u5/-/index.html

    No longer feel anything but apathy towards such “news”.

    But here’s something that I liked: “al Shabaab factor”. So they’re now just a “factor”?

    @ Risasi – is it possible that you could not identify the 3 MBT’s due to some novel/exotic applique armor?

  408. Kudos to the Ugandan security team. They have managed to get an explicit confession from terrorists. Something that the Americans in Guantanamo bay have failed to do. in the clip I see The head of CMI, Brigadier James Mugira, smiling sarcastically and the terrorist struggling to reciting a confession line. Kudos again Uganda secutity.

    @ Mugwiira, my novelty comes in the dimensions, Camo and my perceptions of these equipments in such a base. a lot of Nitty Gritty’s way lost by the position I spotted them, at my 8 oclock and my speed which reduced the visual contact time. I could have climbed and turn but this is against the rules around JKIA. to get a good feel of my position, scroll up this blog and look at the caption picture of the F-5 taking off( amusing coincidence). a near similar position and environment. (a runway, heli field and the consignment) but In a slightly lower altitude and a straight direction. Part of the consignment was under canvas. the canvas looked smaller for the consignments or not meant for the cargo a mere temporally weather shield or partially uncovered for inspection or by curious on lookers I can,t tell. tanks silhouette shapes and guns stuck out clearly.

  409. THE ugandans seem to take the credit for arresting the suspects and yet it is the KENYAN intelligence who procesed the inittial raw data that led to the arrests.there was no way these guys would have been arrested if KENYANS REFUSED TO cooperate with the ugandans…i guess we are in the east african community..
    The entire FBI team that is said to be involved is entirely based in NAIROBI.
    one wonders if there was abundance intel on these activities why no action was taken to nuetralize the threat
    THE going “ons” in the somali theatre are very interesting last few days….
    SOMEONE is taking out some known alshabab operatives bit by bit….and seems to be doing a good jobbo….

    • And whose hardiwork do you reckon this is? Eh? Kenyans are a mystifying lot, I tell you.

    • Pat, watch that Map and try to discern how the whole sector seethes with activity last couple of weeks, more coming weeks, from the look of things. Responding to these brigands with bravado, smoke and hot air, deployments that pleases the Masses, wasteful militarization, etc, as was popularized by a certain Head of State, is just not the way to go. Cannot win this way. Only way is to get down to their level and get real dirty, like these brigands, hiding behind a thinly veiled legalese as they hide behind their fanaticism ; You crush into their houses, you take them out in their beds, in their bathrooms, their toilets, chase them right into their hiding holes. You smoke them out and exterminate them without fanfare and drama. You send in your bad dogs to catch and decapitate them, you make them quake and pee on themselves when they look into the darkness. You tell them you are not afraid of mixing it with them -they cut off your finger, you take out their hand and their leg, you make the cost of their hostility personal to the braggart that sends out gullible impressionable young men to blow themselves up in a market-square even if their mothers were shopping in it. Then a terror-balance develops, skirmishes that are localized and manageable – not the wholesome slaughter of Kampala last month and Kenya in 1997. That is simply put, our brief, Pat.

  410. @mugwiira
    i think the story has not changed as you suggest…my postings of 4th august at 4.45 pm on this saga seems to point to some consistency on this plot
    THE EXECUTION by these men is wanting by the fact they let one unexploded device to be found hence the ability of the intelligence crew to track them through the discovered sim card on the CHEAP ALCATEL MOBILE phone handset that was meant to recieve the activation signal.
    usualy most IEDs or suicide bombs are double wired to avoid failures such as these… but am told they seemed to forget to charge the battery as it had run out wile they transported these devices

    • SPIDERman, I see no post of yours on 4th august at 4.45 pm (?)

      Otherwise, my impression remains the same as when those three Kenyans were shown to the public..

  411. THE son of man from kogelo has said all here…and there are plans for his” homecoming” visit very soon now that KENYANS have redeemed themselves by voting without shading blood..for a new katiba.
    AS the international press had pre- asumed…
    http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000016046&cid=4&ttl=US%20President%20pledges%20stronger%20ties%20with%20Kenya

  412. @Risasi
    The MD 500 kenya army 50th air cavalry full operationally working chopers are 31.
    there are other 3 which were canibalsed for parts and another 3 which are kept in near brand new configuration for demo purposes.
    a good number about seven have been lost in various activities..including accidents over the years since the early 80s..
    two of these crashed at the height of the war against poarching when the CinC at that time moi ordered the army to help KWS to crush the poarchers
    The MD 500 was very effective here and am told at that time the poachers dreaded the sound of an approaching MD 500 AS THEY had nowhere to hide even under bush and trees as the thing easily smoked them out.

  413. @ole nkerai
    i notice that someone has attemped to update kenyas military information on wikipidia….but there are some errors…
    THEY SEEM to place the MD500s under the AIRFORCE…but as far as i knew the MD500s are operated by the army hence the separate base at embakasi 50thACB?
    have things changed or what…?
    I know the original delivery from the states was 50 aircraft in total.
    what happened to the orIginal GADU ?are they still under the airforce?or the army took over that role when the 50thair cavalry unit was configured mwanzoni?

    • Ya +/- 30 are approximately right about on the number. Ni nazi hesabu mwenyewe . Some piece were lost in active duty lakini wa swahili huu sema Inzi kufaa juu ya kidonda ni kawaida. Ama vipi? A guy called chinock was suggesting 8 examples only. 50 is very much KA & GADU gave birth to ADCU (Air Defence Control Unit ) KAF in the mid 8ties. ndugu yangu ulikuwa lini nyumbani?

      • MAZE sio kitambo sana left the main job ya kuserve 1992after starting in1983 after my then boss retired.(his name was kanyotu)..then joined civilian security under UN/ICRC/IFRC Up to 2002 and was involved in un activities all over the region up to sri lanka..etc and moved my family to UK 2003 AND FINALY joined them fully 2005.
        was in kenya brief periods doing politically sensitive things 2002,2007 kidogo kidogo.but nothing life threatening…mainly advosory
        i hope not to release any more …..some people maybe nervous already…
        my first born son is serving the BRITISH army ..now…

  414. Some interesting reading. I wonder whether it will open though. Good luck.

    http://stratsisincite.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/arms-race-in-africa/

  415. @Olekoima
    thanks for very interesting reading…most of it is WELL known news but the most surprising is the acquisition by libya the S300 MISSILE system from RUSSIA. and the S35 FIGHTERS
    I really wonder why the rusians suspended any delivery of the s300 to IRAN but are willing to supply libya so quickly?
    could be a smokescreen ….since libya is not under any threat and therefore such an advancecd weapons system is not really needed by them…

  416. Pat, wewe ni wetu, atakama ume-move wapi. Kikiumana,uta-serve tena, ama? Kanyotu, eh? Always thought you were a Intel Analyst, buddy!! Wikipedia is an academic website, with as much supposition as facts – there is an open invitation to “update” the post on each item. Use your pinch-at-a-time sages’ on this site. However, as our aggressor-responses changes from a massed deployment reaction to small specialized insertion & extraction units, and as these have continued to justify themselves by their kill-rate and effectiveness of deterrence & response, the MD500 evolves and continues to evolve, and now the Deltas ride to theatre; insertions of each stick by a MD500 are extremely quick and precise. Extraction too is equally fast and precise – the dang thing can practically put down anywhere, including on top a tree, kinda!! Suppression matriculation of a hot EZ with these little birds in cross-combat support for beleaguered small Insertion teams are awesome– a 20 Mike-Mike actually mows down a forest of real trees, a real death-dealer to Mortars crews, anything that is aimed at me. Good Jockeys will get in before the bad guys over the EZ even knows they are there, pick you off the ground and vanish before their disbelieving eyes! It is an air- Ferari, if you ask me.

  417. @ole nkerai
    you are right … am ready and wiiling to serve my country come rain or shine if called upon
    I MUST SAY my late boss was never happy when he was forced to leave after the repeal of section 2a in 1992.HE asked and was allowed to leave with his entire core staff who included bodyguards, drivers,secretaries and a few select top staff who were to be seconded to him for a further five years for specific purposes.I was seleted and served for three with him “james” .i mainly liased with his “contacts” and actual “courier” work .some of the job would make a holywood scripwriter very proud.remember this was a man who run the system for intell gathering for motherland for 27 years….until 1992.
    I CAN TELL you I Knew EVERY street,chochoro,alleyway,mtaro,every dark alley in nairobi,kisumu embu,mombasa,nakuru,eldoret ,kakamega etc
    I HAVE LIVED several lifestyles such that it was hard to be normal..
    MY wife who is a devout christian thanks god all the time that am no longer disappearing for days bila mpango. i really miss his advice at times and considerable attention to detail….MAY GOD BLESS HIS SOUL …am planning a visit before year end and will endevour to make contact with some of you valued bloggers …ASANTENI sana

  418. @ Risasi – are you 100% positive these were tracked vehicles?

  419. Ole Nkarei, i told you to drop me a line but it seems you were busy. or didn’t you get the mail correct? its .-. .- .–. – — .-. .-.-.- …– —– .—- @–. — .- .. .-.. .-.-.- -.-. — — am around for some r&r and your offer is still up.

  420. @Jasiri , had to scout around you, buddy, sniffed around, casing you, just in case… don’t wanna get burnt, you know. Needed to be sure of some things.. hell, and I reckon you know what I am getting at!! But I will make contact, not to worry. Have a good idea what you want, mate!! How long your r&r this time?

  421. SLIGHTLY off topic….
    there are signs of increasing tentions in the KOREAN peninsula…and UNCLE SAM IS seemingly stocking the flames…..what would be the repurcusions if the spark ignited
    some interesting readings here…
    http://www.rense.com/general37/nkorr.htm

    • Americans are worse than Somalis(somali somalis not kenyan somalis) just the ither day they were holding naval exercises with Vietnam! who would have thought that possible ten years ago? i believe though they are under estimating China’s role in the wider scheme of things. if a war breaks out in the East, the Americans might be up for some rude shock. the chinese are serious this time.

    • enlightening article

  422. @ SPIDERman – as for Russian arms sales to Libya, contracts have only beed signed for the following:

    1. 6 x Yak-130
    2. Upgrade of 145 T-72 MBT’s
    3. A small arms plant for production AK-100 series guns (it’s an old project which had been frozen some time ago)

    The contract for 12-15 Su-35’s is expected to be signed before the end of 2010. Libya may however have to settle for Su-30MK2 for now because Su-35 is not yet in serial production.

    The S-300PMU2 sale is only being discussed. Nothing material yet.

    There are no sanctions in case of Libya, nothing contentious abt anyone selling to them. However, seeing how they are going after the biggest and most expensive toys, they seem unaware how politicized and disorganized their armed forces are, and how poorly most of their systems are serviced.

    • i can’t shake this suspicion that libya is being used as a proxy for iran. if anyone thinks that iran will be held back by resolutions or russia will be bound by some agrreement signed in some air conditioned office over tea they are wrong. remember most of russia’s customers are rogue, in the western sense, and russia needs to assure them it can deliver. this missiles might be for Iran. Isn’t it funny though that iran isn’t concentrating on bolstering it’s fighter jet force?

      • “remember most of russia’s customers are rogue, in the western sense”

        That’s a misconception. The #1 buyer of Russian arms is India, followed by China, then Sotheast Asia (Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam). Among major customers only Syria is “rogue, in the western sense”. Venezuela, also a major customer, is in reality far from “rogue”, their oil business with the US is proceeding smoothly.

        There has been talk of Syria being a “proxy” recepient for Iran, but that’s just talk. The real issue here is that Syria is on good terms with Iran, and if it gets modern AD, it can deny the US and Israel the opportunity to strike Iran from that direction.

        Iran ceased to be a prominent customer since the late 90’s, in fact it had bought more from China than Russia since then. There have been negottations over S-300, and over Buk and Tor, but with caution; for Russia, Saudi Arabia and UAE are now much more attractive potential customers in the region.

        Also, despite the business done together, there’s not much trust between Russia and Iran.

        So I’m 99,9% sure that whatever may go to Libya will go to Lybia.

  423. yeah …thanks for your clarifications….actualy idid not look into this report very deeply…but only picked up the S300 issue on the outset.
    DO YOU THINK the RUSSIANS will FULLFILL ANY deals for this system to be sold to libya?
    THE iranians had even paid up some 800 million dollrs for this system but due to pressure accasioned by a powerfull pro isreal lobby in the western world the USA is PUSHING THE RUSSIANS and seems to have succeded in stopping any deliveries to TEHRAN

  424. Quite recently in Fort Bragg during some grading classes on counter-terrorism, and counter-insurgency operations, and such like maneno, we went through just such a Strategic Paper presentation by some Iraqi “think-tank”( if you want to abuse the terminology) in reaction to their intended Invasion of Kuwait. Three things were clearly evident then, and are similarly evident in this silly paper by the Korean (1) the similar deficiency in independent assessment of the Military Establishment in both countries due to the absolute Political corruption of it’s Structure, reducing the Military Establishment to mere sycophantic choir-boys for the Political Establishment, (2) the Military Paper was only a justification for the Political Decision to Invade Kuwait, as a reaction to it, and hence without real Military Value – it said what the Politicos wanted to hear! (3) the delusional content which only the Political Class in both countries couldn’t / can’t discern coz in effect it justified their Political positions.A War in the Korean Peninsula definitely would have nuclear ramifications, and the opening salvos fired by the NKR because that would probably be their only opportunity to inflict any sizeable harm / damage on the Forces against them – every sort of Military Equipment, their production lines and Men in Uniform, would without doubts be obliterated by the Americans within the first minutes / hours of open war. Considering the possible Fall-out Area extending across most of the Peninsula into China Proper, the Indochina, Japan and parts of Russia, I dare say even NKR’s chances of landing any of their touted Nuclear Missiles anywhere are probably next to Nil – neither the Chinese nor the Russians are asleep to this danger and have separate / independent aggressive strategies to counter it decisively. NKR is bull-sh.. with this nonsensical piece, period!! Libya has no use for its Military, and its population so pampered that War to them in a complete anathema. These arms are for the Iranians, in my estimation.